Welcome guest, is this your first visit? Create Account now to join.
  • Login:

Welcome to the NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed.

Terminator Night Vision NZ


User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 14 of 14
Like Tree11Likes
  • 1 Post By Floundering Around
  • 2 Post By -BW-
  • 1 Post By Marty Henry
  • 2 Post By fernleaf
  • 2 Post By Slug
  • 1 Post By svt40
  • 1 Post By svt40
  • 1 Post By vorno

Thread: Mosin Nagant Refinishing

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2023
    Location
    Wellington
    Posts
    191

    Mosin Nagant Refinishing

    I might cop a bit of shit from the purists, but has anyone refinished a Mosin Nagant stock (leaving markings intact of course?

    The original shellac on mine is flaking off quite badly and the last thing I want is the now unprotected the woodwork swelling. I am considering reapplying fresh garnet shellac, but it is a pretty shit product to work with from what my old man told me (Master Joiner) due to its long drying times and tackiness. I want to get a finish that is as close to the original garnet shellac used by the Soviets that will actually last. Has anyone found a product that produced a similar colour and gives a good finish?

    Any help or product recommendations appreciated. Cheers.
    vorno likes this.

  2. #2
    Member -BW-'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Location
    Shannon
    Posts
    1,142
    Floating an idea if you have no luck with replacing shellac.. perhaps wash/lift the shellac off with acetone or some kind of chemical stripper that will not damage the wood, and replace with wax/oil. It might look better, and you will effectively leave the wood untouched but not unprotected. As long as no wood get sanded off then a 'protective refurbishment' is ok by most service rifle junkies.

  3. #3
    Member Marty Henry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    Tararua
    Posts
    7,134
    The Finns used to finish the larch stocks on their mosins with a mixture of boiled linseed oil and pine resin if that's any help
    Fssprecision likes this.

  4. #4
    Member fernleaf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Dunedin
    Posts
    238
    The VK-1 or MCH-53 Lacquer (its a manufactured chemical similar to cellulose varnish, not a shellac made from bug secretions...Shellac stopped being used on rifle stocks in 1940) used during Soviet Post-War refurbishment was applied over at least two different coatings that were there to protect the wood from moisture ingress...

    Flaky finish on postwar refurbished rifles is the result of application issues during the refurbishment process, or use of old out of date VK-1 lacquer.

    Feel free to let the finish flake off - the wood underneath shouldn't be affected.
    In longrange riflery, trajectory is the pure science part. Gravity is a constant for our purposes.
    Wind is in the art department.
    Light is pure fucking voodoo.

  5. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    580
    Shellac is easier than you think to apply. Buy the flakes and mix with acetone. Ball up some cotton cloth and rub on, plenty of yt vids for French polishing. Dries quick.
    svt40 and Floundering Around like this.

  6. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2023
    Location
    waimakau
    Posts
    3,751
    Is this shellac the same stuff they use for gaskets?

  7. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2023
    Location
    Wellington
    Posts
    191
    Heard that one from a mate of mine. Sadly it's a 91/30 that is not a Finnish refurbished so that's not an option.

  8. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2023
    Location
    Wellington
    Posts
    191
    Thanks for the advice. It's a 1935 but safe to say it would have been refurbished as it is near mint condition.

  9. #9
    Member norsk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    2,547
    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Henry View Post
    The Finns used to finish the larch stocks on their mosins with a mixture of boiled linseed oil and pine resin if that's any help
    Were they Larch and not Birch?
    "Sixty percent of the time,it works every time"

  10. #10
    Member fernleaf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Dunedin
    Posts
    238
    Quote Originally Posted by norsk View Post
    Were they Larch and not Birch?
    They were all Arctic Birch...
    In longrange riflery, trajectory is the pure science part. Gravity is a constant for our purposes.
    Wind is in the art department.
    Light is pure fucking voodoo.

  11. #11
    Member Marty Henry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    Tararua
    Posts
    7,134
    Quote Originally Posted by fernleaf View Post
    They were all Arctic Birch...
    I thought the 2 piece laminated ones on the early rebuilds were larch and they just carried on. Happy to be corrected though

  12. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2018
    Location
    Manawatu
    Posts
    177
    Quote Originally Posted by blip View Post
    Is this shellac the same stuff they use for gaskets?
    Absolutely not! Completely different.
    blip likes this.

  13. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2018
    Location
    Manawatu
    Posts
    177
    Quote Originally Posted by Slug View Post
    Shellac is easier than you think to apply. Buy the flakes and mix with acetone. Ball up some cotton cloth and rub on, plenty of yt vids for French polishing. Dries quick.
    This.... i refinished a couple mosins with shellac, although from memory i used alcohol (meths) as the solvent for the shellac flakes. Wiped most of the old finish off with alcohol in the bathtub, rubbed a couple of new coats and and voila. it was pretty easy really, i found it quite easy to work with.

    Also many years ago i tried mixing up a beeswax / linseed/ somethign else ive forgotten mixture as the 'Finn special' - smelt weird but seemed to give nice finish. Although i left 3/4 of the finn mosins ive had alone, they looked fine as is.
    Floundering Around likes this.

  14. #14
    Member vorno's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Northland
    Posts
    60
    Yup, back when I had a Mosin quite a few years back I stripped back the old stock using oven cleaner, sanded it, then used boiled linseed oil to bring out the original colour of the wood, before finishing with a bee wax based furniture protector to finish it off.

    Here are some before and after's:




    Floundering Around likes this.

 

 

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Welcome to NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums! We see you're new here, or arn't logged in. Create an account, and Login for full access including our FREE BUY and SELL section Register NOW!!