Thread: New Illegal Police Firearm Policy

Scott Watson is as guilty as fuck

Ain't no-one cleans the UNDERSIDE of a table, unless they are getting rid of evidence

Really easy to blame the tool when the trade person is at fault.

Here in the uk there trying that shit all the time. Lucky for us we have BASC, country side alliance and three or four more that have or backs. As soon as this comes up there in there to fight or corner.
So who funds them, we do by buying shoot liability insurance. NZ would do well to take a leaf out of the U.K. book on this one.
Look them up guys.
http://basc.org.uk/
At first I was not happy about buying this insurance but the guys on the shoot said no insurance no shoot.
Now I see the benefits. They lobby MPs to find out where they stand, they have a press office to counter bad press. They even cover me when I come home to NZ to go hunting.
How many of you would be interested in this type of organisation setting up in NZ to fight your corner and keep this shit at bay?

i'm a member of NZDA so have automatic personal Liability Insurance

Off to Perth on sunday for three weeks. Any forum members live in Perth and want to catch up?

Originally Posted by BobGibson

Off to Perth on sunday for three weeks. Any forum members live in Perth and want to catch up?

That's home for me, can l stole away in you suitcases, won't fit in just one !!!! ��

Today I spoke to a chap I know who is in COLFO and SSANZ, apparently there is no word yet one what exactly is happening. Apparently the Police want to crack down on AR-15 lowers being imported under A-cat, and then being transferred to E-cat. A buddy of mine has registered several A-cat rifles as E-cat and then sold them, in the past few years, and he got an angry email from a local arms officer saying he ought not to be doing it, as in theory they should be for personal use, not to sell. It wouldn't surprise me if we will eventually be required to have an E-cat endorsement to import any AR lower (or perhaps any part for a semi-auto), just like importers now need the same paperwork as for real handguns if they want to bring in 'realistic' airsoft and air rifles to sell. I disagree with some things Natatale and others have been saying, but we are all shooters and we need to stick together. I was very upset a few weeks ago at the range when I heard a service rifle shooter saying some very disparaging things about small bore shooting, along the lines of "How can you miss, it's only 20m? It's so boring". You can bet there are small bore shooters who think MSSA's are dangerous and only nutjobs would want them. But we all need to stand up for our sport as a whole. It reminds me of that quote by that pastor in WW2, except instead it will be:

"First they came for the machineguns, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a collector.

Then they came for the pistols, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a pistol shooter.

Then they came for the MSSA's, and I did not speak out—
Because I don't like military weapons.

Then they came for my rifle, and there was no one left to speak for me."

If push comes to shove I will also be making a donation to legal fees for the cause. In the meantime; don't panic until we know more, and Merry Christmas.

Tell that to Nicky Hagar. The HC judgment comments that the police search warrant and evidence lacked candour. Tell that to the Red Devils who eventually won hands down. The police instead of following the law seem hell bent on usurping it at every turn. If Scott Watson is right he has suffered a huge injustice. Not sure how an ESR scientist finds 2 hairs 3 weeks later after microscopically examine the the article previously.

Ditto cleaning the inside of cassette tape covers, cutting lumps out of squabs etc etc. He was also a suspect in another disappearance before Hope and Smart

Not sure why Police are always copping the flak when they write up a warrant, get it approved by the courts, then execute it.

Shouldn't people be slagging off the judge or issuing officer for approving the warrant?

As for the main topic, I'll wait to see what the official line is and have a chat with the AO.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Not sure why Police are always copping the flak when they write up a warrant, get it approved by the courts, then execute it.

Shouldn't people be slagging off the judge or issuing officer for approving the warrant?

As for the main topic, I'll wait to see what the official line is and have a chat with the AO.

Please do @Savage1 it will be interesting to see what is going on. No disrespect to the local policeman, unfortunately it sounds like police hierarchy playing politics again.

Makes four

Originally Posted by Savage1

Not sure why Police are always copping the flak when they write up a warrant, get it approved by the courts, then execute it.

Shouldn't people be slagging off the judge or issuing officer for approving the warrant?

As for the main topic, I'll wait to see what the official line is and have a chat with the AO.

Couldn't agree more, I'd love to see the statistics of how many warrants are approved and how many are declined per year, I have a funny feeling there would be little to none declined......
I suspect that a lot of trust goes to the police from the courts and they sign pretty much anything that comes to them.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Couldn't agree more, I'd love to see the statistics of how many warrants are approved and how many are declined per year, I have a funny feeling there would be little to none declined......
I suspect that a lot of trust goes to the police from the courts and they sign pretty much anything that comes to them.

Until a couple of years ago(he is to old now) my grandfather approved after hours warrants as part of his role as a justice of the peace- he told me once that he said no more than 10% of the time, of course the police could then go to a judge the next day and try again if they they felt they could satisfy his objection

Originally Posted by res

Until a couple of years ago(he is to old now) my grandfather approved after hours warrants as part of his role as a justice of the peace- he told me once that he said no more than 10% of the time, of course the police could then go to a judge the next day and try again if they they felt they could satisfy his objection

I've had the NZPCA send an OIR on my behalf and theirs to see if we can find an answer to the question.

Just had AO office call me regarding mail order form for an AR lower I'm buying from Digit.
Wanted me to state its for an A-Cat only and will never be changed to E.
I told them happy to do so, as it is for an A-Cat build, but that I'll be giving this info to COLFO and the seller for a possible court challenge, as this policy is not in the Arms Act.
They called me back 5 min later and backed down.