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30-05-2018, 12:54 PM
Bavarian_Hunter

New rifle thread - narrowed down

Thanks to those who commented on the previous thread, I wanted to start something slightly different with more specific things I'm after.

1) I am set on 7x57/275 Rigby. It's the one calibre I've wanted since I was a wee tacker, I'm very aware there are similar calibres that are ballistically similar and easy to find.

2) has to be a wooden bolt repeater

3) has to come with open sights, more specifically I really want to eventually put a leaf sight on it. Not sure if that's something all rifles can have put on or whether they're different.

4) I don't have the money to go out and buy an m98 or Rigby and co. so it's got to be reasonable enough that my wife doesn't leave me.

I know ruger and Winchester do them but not a fan, read enough to steer me off voere, still undecided on roessler and that's about where I am at.

Any other suggestions for makes?

Cheers

Bh

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30-05-2018, 01:20 PM
northdude

a wooden one wooden handle high pressure loads very well :D
30-05-2018, 01:47 PM
nor-west

I like the Merkel range but they don't do a 7x57, they do a 7x64 though

https://www.merkel-die-jagd.de/en/pr...s/helix-black/
30-05-2018, 01:48 PM
stug

Try and find a Brno ZKK 600 in 7x57.
30-05-2018, 01:52 PM
mawzer308

There is currently a 7x57 mauser for sale on TM, it has the 1960's style stock similar to BSA's and parker hales of that period. Could be an option and you could always put a more traditional shaped stock on it further down the track?

https://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hun...cf3d67f78ec86e
30-05-2018, 06:15 PM
csmiffy

My old junker parker hale safari with the fecked barrel is a 7x57.
maybe one of those floating around?
if you could find one like mine with a similarly buggered barrel for cheap it would be worth rebarreling
30-05-2018, 06:34 PM
Mooseman

Go Brno they tick all the boxes for you and they won't break the bank.
30-05-2018, 06:42 PM
Tentman

Must it be new or is second hand OK ??

I'd give Graham Champion a call at Colonial Ammo Company Ltd, 06 278 4731 evenings, he's a good guy and has a lot of rifles in the "genre" you are seeking, if he doesn't have a 7x57 he might have one coming (he imports a lot of rifles).

Cheers
30-05-2018, 06:56 PM
Spudattack

Remember he is in Aussie guys....

Yeah, I love my ZKK600, hard to find that quality for decent money these days, the Brno ZG47 is also a thing of beauty.

If you want new CZ do the 550 in 7x57, even with a full stick if you are wanting something beautiful.
30-05-2018, 07:10 PM
Guypie

Zastava do one I'm pretty sure. Not the prettiest or smoothest out of the box but mauser action usually with set trigger. Should fit the budget pretty well, they are a fairly economical rifle
30-05-2018, 07:29 PM
csmiffy

Living in Aussietralia? Wont hold that against you-I was ten years there myself lol
From memory there were heaps of Brno's etc in OZ. Very popular but depends if the 7x57 was a popular as well.
30-05-2018, 07:38 PM
Sideshow

There's that BSA 30 06 https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....30-06-a-41562/
You could do what I did and get one of these and rebarrel it in 7X57. :thumbsup:
Could be a nice way to go. They have a good action that's made the old way and also an adjustable trigger.
30-05-2018, 09:01 PM
Flyblown

A fair while back now but my mate wanted a specific Mauser action rifle in 9.3x62, and he contacted Ray Carvell at Carvell's Gun Auctions. Carvells Gun Auctions.

After a bit of back and forth exactly what he wanted was located, inspected, negotiated and purchased.

This could be worth a try as they are still going with their bi-annual auctions.
30-05-2018, 09:10 PM
Tentman

In Aussie you should be able to get a new CZ. The best "Mauser 98" clone made, has the proper Mauser extractor (as opposed to the shit copies on BSA's Winny Pre 70's, Rugers, Kimbers etc), my 7x64 shoots way under MOA from the box and is an all steel/all wood rifle.
30-05-2018, 09:21 PM
Friwi

BSA hunter I d say.
30-05-2018, 10:02 PM
Bavarian_Hunter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tentman

In Aussie you should be able to get a new CZ. The best "Mauser 98" clone made, has the proper Mauser extractor (as opposed to the shit copies on BSA's Winny Pre 70's, Rugers, Kimbers etc), my 7x64 shoots way under MOA from the box and is an all steel/all wood rifle.

I don't think they do a 7x57 anymore according to their website

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30-05-2018, 10:16 PM
PaulNZ

If you don't want to go second hand or rebarrel a rifle from another calibre (both good options), would the budget stretch to a Cooper Model 52? Would seem to tick all the boxes, and open sights are a factory option. Other than the Cooper and the Roessler, the only other new 7x57 I can come up with is a Montana ASR - and that doesn't have open sights. I'm sure that aftermarket open sights could be fitted by a good gunsmith, either by drilling and tapping the barrel or by soldering them on (probably up for a re-blue then though).
30-05-2018, 10:27 PM
Spudattack

New rifle thread - narrowed down

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter

I don't think they do a 7x57 anymore according to their website

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They still do, very popular chambering in Europe and Africa.

https://www.safarioutdoor.co.za/prod...x-rifle-cz7x57

The American market has also gone to the 557 centrefire but other markets still get the 550.

Your local agents just won’t bring them in as probably not that popular there.
Send them an email and ask if they would import one on their next shipment for you?
30-05-2018, 10:50 PM
Spudattack

New rifle thread - narrowed down

Sabatti is another option.....

http://www.sabatti.it/en/products/ro...unting-rifles/

Not sure if you have an importer
31-05-2018, 03:25 AM
Bavarian_Hunter

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulNZ

If you don't want to go second hand or rebarrel a rifle from another calibre (both good options), would the budget stretch to a Cooper Model 52? Would seem to tick all the boxes, and open sights are a factory option. Other than the Cooper and the Roessler, the only other new 7x57 I can come up with is a Montana ASR - and that doesn't have open sights. I'm sure that aftermarket open sights could be fitted by a good gunsmith, either by drilling and tapping the barrel or by soldering them on (probably up for a re-blue then though).

I definitely would rebarrel another rifle but I've got no idea about that stuff, I wouldn't know what a good donor rifle/action is or who's a reputable gunsmith in Aus. Besides that aus being aus I'm sure they'd charge like a wounded bull too.

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31-05-2018, 05:07 AM
timattalon

Pity you dont want to stretch to a 7x64... https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....weather-42429/ Its gorgeous....
31-05-2018, 09:36 AM
stevodog

+1 on a new cz
31-05-2018, 12:45 PM
Bavarian_Hunter

Would a cz 550 in 9.3x62 be able to be rebarreled to a 7x57 or are the actions not compatible?

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31-05-2018, 01:33 PM
Spudattack

New rifle thread - narrowed down

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter

Would a cz 550 in 9.3x62 be able to be rebarreled to a 7x57 or are the actions not compatible?

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Should work, both long actions and case head diameter is very close.

Or just use the 9.3, will do everything the 7x57 can and more!
31-05-2018, 01:47 PM
Bavarian_Hunter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudattack

Should work, both long actions and case head diameter is very close.

Or just use the 9.3, will do everything the 7x57 can and more!

Cheers mate,

Nah, I had a chat to my brother last night and as I said to him I could happily buy a mauser m12 or something similar in 7x64 but it wouldn't be a 7x57 and I'd still want one. My sako will kill anything I'll ever hunt so I don't need a new rifle, I just want a 275 Rigby.

It's a romance thing, I grew up reading Jim corbett and Walter bell and Ive always wanted a 275 Rigby with open sights so it's that or nothing.

I see myself owning 4 rifles in my life, a 22, a light synthetic big game rifle, a muzzleloader and a 275 Rigby. Got all of that sorted bar the last.

Unless I win the lottery then I might buy a double rifle that I'd never use!

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31-05-2018, 02:03 PM
Flyblown

You’d think that Lancaster one on Trade Me that was posted on pg1 would be bloody close to what you’re looking for, proper heritage rifle that would do the business just fine? You haven’t mentioned what you think of that one.
31-05-2018, 03:08 PM
stevodog

I think he has to get it to Stralia...nice rifle
31-05-2018, 03:29 PM
North guy

I had a BSA Hunter 7 x 57 for years and loved it, they are a bit heavy but have a nice action and they do come up on a regular basis on Tarde Me
31-05-2018, 03:45 PM
Spudattack

New rifle thread - narrowed down

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter

Cheers mate,

Nah, I had a chat to my brother last night and as I said to him I could happily buy a mauser m12 or something similar in 7x64 but it wouldn't be a 7x57 and I'd still want one. My sako will kill anything I'll ever hunt so I don't need a new rifle, I just want a 275 Rigby.

It's a romance thing, I grew up reading Jim corbett and Walter bell and Ive always wanted a 275 Rigby with open sights so it's that or nothing.

I see myself owning 4 rifles in my life, a 22, a light synthetic big game rifle, a muzzleloader and a 275 Rigby. Got all of that sorted bar the last.

Unless I win the lottery then I might buy a double rifle that I'd never use!

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Fair enough mate, I couldn’t imagine anything sexier than a matching pair of Rigbys in .416 Rigby and .275 Rigby!
And a Holland and Holland double in .470NE for when it gets dangerous!

There was a Brno ZKK600 7x57 with a custom Kevin Gaskell walnut stock on TradeMe for ages while my wife was on maternity leave and couldn’t afford it, I think through Broncos.
When she went back and I could eventually pay for it they told me the owner had decided to keep it, Bugger!

Keep looking, I am sure you will find one. It took me almost 2 years to find my 7x64!

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31-05-2018, 04:07 PM
Spudattack

May be a silly question, but have you looked at Sauer?
31-05-2018, 04:37 PM
Bavarian_Hunter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudattack

May be a silly question, but have you looked at Sauer?

Yeah I owned a Sauer 202 once just don't love the feel of them.

There is a Winnie featherweight for sale and I wonder if I just get that and change the stock. Spoke to the local gun shop and he reckons itd cost $1500 for a decent wood grade stock though

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31-05-2018, 04:39 PM
Hayden C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter

Cheers mate,

Nah, I had a chat to my brother last night and as I said to him I could happily buy a mauser m12 or something similar in 7x64 but it wouldn't be a 7x57 and I'd still want one. My sako will kill anything I'll ever hunt so I don't need a new rifle, I just want a 275 Rigby.

It's a romance thing, I grew up reading Jim corbett and Walter bell and Ive always wanted a 275 Rigby with open sights so it's that or nothing.

I see myself owning 4 rifles in my life, a 22, a light synthetic big game rifle, a muzzleloader and a 275 Rigby. Got all of that sorted bar the last.

Unless I win the lottery then I might buy a double rifle that I'd never use!

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There is only one option then:

CZ-USA Safari Classics Express Rifle - CZ-USA

Im pretty sure they do them in 7x57 to order
31-05-2018, 05:35 PM
Bavarian_Hunter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayden C

There is only one option then:

CZ-USA Safari Classics Express Rifle - CZ-USA

Im pretty sure they do them in 7x57 to order

I spoke to the gun shop again today and they confirmed that they can't get a 7x57 from cz here as it's discontinued. But maybe a custom direction is the way to go.

Either that or I just say fuck it and save for a heym sr21 or something. I'm getting burnt out looking at guns!

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31-05-2018, 07:19 PM
Tentman

I imported a Heym SR-20 in 6.5x55 about 30 years ago and only kept it a short while, fairly underwhelming, nice but not special if you know what I mean. I'd hold out for a Sabatti (which is a copy of the excellence Husky action) or better, keep looking on UsedGuns Australia and get yourself either a Brno Model 21 or 22, or as someone else has suggested a Brno ZG-47. The ZG-47 and Model 21 era of Brno mausers are very arguably the finest "true" commercial Mausers made.
31-05-2018, 07:38 PM
Sideshow

Auctions? Some of these may need a little work:D but send the guys at Holts an email they will be able to tell you how to get it into OZ.
If you go to past sales and sift through you will be able to figure out how much to bid on the sealed bids.
I know you want a .275 Rigby but they can be a pain to travel with if you can't find cartridges head stamped the same as the rifle....airline and airport staff being so knowledgeable and all:P
Anyway I hope this might help if not enjoy the pics:thumbsup::O_O: I think it's just going to make your itch worse though:XD:
Holt's Auctioneers

Holt's Auctioneers

Holt's Auctioneers

Holt's Auctioneers

Holt's Auctioneers

Holt's Auctioneers
31-05-2018, 07:53 PM
Bavarian_Hunter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideshow

Auctions? Some of these may need a little work:D but send the guys at Holts an email they will be able to tell you how to get it into OZ.
If you go to past sales and sift through you will be able to figure out how much to bid on the sealed bids.
I know you want a .275 Rigby but they can be a pain to travel with if you can't find cartridges head stamped the same as the rifle....airline and airport staff being so knowledgeable and all:P
Anyway I hope this might help if not enjoy the pics[emoji106]:O_O: I think it's just going to make your itch worse though:XD:
Holt's Auctioneers

Holt's Auctioneers

Holt's Auctioneers

Holt's Auctioneers

Holt's Auctioneers

Holt's Auctioneers

Fuck me that John Rigby is going cheap. Surely it'll make more than that! Wish you hadn't of sent that through!

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31-05-2018, 08:29 PM
Sideshow

Give em a call there good to deal with! Brought my BSA through them.

Edit

The only reason I didn't by a 257 was the travel issue.:(
31-05-2018, 09:43 PM
csmiffy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudattack

May be a silly question, but have you looked at Sauer?

I was thinking the same thing yesterday.
31-05-2018, 09:46 PM
csmiffy

I know its different countries at all but would he be able to do a deal with Graeme Champion? He may be able to source a nice example? Depends on freight and the dreaded import costs and paperwork of course
31-05-2018, 09:51 PM
stug

There is a 7x57 Mannlicher Schoenauer on usedguns.com.au

https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=126979

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