This looks like a pretty decent scope for hunting from them
https://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/p...8x42-meta.html
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This looks like a pretty decent scope for hunting from them
https://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/p...8x42-meta.html
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Looks good
That range idea used to be built into vx2s
And Weavers, long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Will be insane price.
Top turret is too high to my taste . The Swarovski z5 has still my preference.
https://www.guncity.com/schmidt-bend...reticle-394440Quote:
Originally Posted by caberslash
And mil dots and a whole lot of other reticles. Range finders have meant that people have mostly forgotten how to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nor-west
Looks really good.
S + B - highly underrated!
Others big brands over here have just the better marketing!
My thoughts are that they could have done more with a first focal plane reticle , like thick 0.2 mRad crosshairs for use at 3-6x outside the first or second mildot then extra fine inside that for use at 18x. Mildot ranging with 2FP will always be dodgy.
Then they need those real flat compact turrets, possibly with a non-illumination option for simplicity. The elevation turret looks logical but only for range/ target shooting. For hunting you can memorise the comeups in mRad out to 400m .
Otherwise it looks like a great scope, an upgrade on the klassik 3-12.
S&B scopes market themselves. But they do have an excellent catalogue and website.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemorepork
Bagheera, what do you mean by market themselves?
You hope it's a good scope for 5k nz!
I would be interested to look at one in the flesh
Like toyota Hilux, Honda quads might not be amazing, but those that have them no, they won't let you down.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemorepork
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Honda and stihl mate not the first oneQuote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
"They sell themselves" is a colloquial saying meaning they are very desirable and either are so well known to customers or so good and obviously superior when customers handle them that a salesman doesn't need to persuade or encourage the customer, nor is any advertising needed to tell people the brand is available. Examples in NZ are Anshutz, Sako, Tikka, Leupold, Zeiss, Norinco, CZ, SWFA, Air Arms, Remington. Examples of brands needing vigorous advertising in NZ are Athlon, German Precision Optics, Burris, Ruger (except the 10/22), Minox, Chiappa, Tippman, Vixen, Stoeger. Simply asking a question about a product or mentioning it online is sometimes a soft form of advertising. I'm not sure if the phrase is used in other English speaking countries of just NZ. Your English seems pretty good. I thought you might be an ex-pat.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemorepork
Could I ask whether Docter scopes are well regarded in Europe ? They are very uncommon here and the name doesn't sound very promising in English.
@Bagheera
Thank you very much for your comprehensive explanation.
I didn‘t get it in the first place as we use the term „sell themselves“ instead of market themselves.
Docter products are regarded to range in the midfield like Meopta, Minox and the like.
I have three Zenith scopes and can‘t fault them.They are reliable and robust.
As second hand they are in a price bracket of about 1700 to 1900 NZ roughly. So not too expensive
if you don‘t want the latest gear.
Back to Docter - yeah sounds a bit odd in English, doesn‘t it.
Here you find a bit of history about the company:
https://de.noblex-e-optics.com/en/pa...olgsgeschichte
Expat - don‘t I wish to be a Kiwi!
I have to be content with visiting!
cheers
I believe the tasco 30-30 reticle was first to market the idea...early 80s if not late 70sQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Thanks for that link @littlemorepork. So, it was a Herr Docter who gave his name to the linecof scopes rather than a PhD engineer as you often see in German companies. Interesting they were a subsidiary of Zeiss.
It’s slightly more more compact in the flesh than a Z6 or V6 3-18 from the other Euros. Tactile clicks, zero stop and two clicks below zero to get to the stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
Awesome reticle.
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