Who's got what and how reliable?
Something that would be good out to say 100 metres give or take, but it must be reliable and robust.
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Who's got what and how reliable?
Something that would be good out to say 100 metres give or take, but it must be reliable and robust.
Buy the one that Spanners is selling (see for sale section)
Anything GenI you're literally better off burning your money for light to shoot by, most of GenII isn't much better, some of the new GenII "SHP" is okay but costs significantly more than GenIII (Photonis XR5, look up the prices and be prepared to cry)
Really you need to shop around for some US GenIII which has made its way overseas. Do not buy anything ATN.
If you want something legit usable, you'll be paying a lot of money.
Has anyone tried that Newcon Optik brand of night vision now in NZ?? Apparently they have US/ITAR Exportable Gen 3 gear but I don't know any more that that.
Oh and those ATN Fusion combined Thermal/Night vision unit look choice, though I doubt we'll see them here any time soon.
The Newcon Optik tubes for their GenIII look not terrible, usable. Price is pretty well up there though even buying in Canada, I shudder to think what they'd cost by the time they got here.
The Newcon's are for sale here,
Newcon NV207-G2+ Monocular Night Vision | Trade Me
As Gimp said - buy mine! :D
What you have in a Newcon is a cheap housing (China?) - they are simply rubbish
I had a play with one in the US earlier this year and I initially thought it was a kids toy it was that bad
An 'exportable' Gen 3 tube is going to be pretty low specs, basically same as Gen 2- I have the info here somewhere but cant be arse digging it out
Thanks spanners, thats good to know. I thought since gen 4 is out now in the US maybe they were relaxing on gen 3.
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Gen4 isn't really a thing
Take Gimps advise and buy Spanners Gen3 D-760. I can get you the D-740 & D-760 with Photonis tubes and in XR5, won`t be better than Spanners Gen3 . $14`000 for the XR5 ($20`000 from Gun City). Can do them also with Photonis SHP tubes which are the XR5 & XD4 downgraded due to some slight imperfection or when they have crunched the numbers they have not quite made milspec $6500-$7000.
U.S exportable Gen3 has a Max FOM of 1250............... CRAP!! the Gen2+ gear from Photonis is between FOM 1300-1700.
If Spanners unit ever shits itself I can get parts for it though not the Gen3 Pinnical tube. Hell if I was looking for another scope Id buy Spanners and hes asking a reasonable price for it as well.
Darrin
The Newcon Gen3 has Katod Russian Gen3 tubes, as far as I understand, they are not U.S manufactured. With all this gear you have to be very careful about exactly what you are buying. Have a look at my TM listing at the moment. In Q&A a bloke has advised me he can get PVS-7B Night Vision Goggles from a outfit called night vision guys in the U.S with gen2+HP tubes for $3500 plus freighting expences.Way less than PVS-7B Goggles cost me at dealer prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
But when I look at it they have Russian tubes with a FOM of between 480 & 900....... absolute crap, he should stick with a spotlight.
Just be damned careful !!!!
Yeah the Newcon ones advertise a FOM of 1600, their spec sheet looks ok but I just don't trust anything non US geniii
I know where there is a brand new unused PVS14 with accessory kit and OMNI V tube but it's a bit old for me.
$6000NZ if anyone wants it.
Spanners are you talking about the Newcon NV207-G2+ or Newcon in general ?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanners
The NV207-G2 is a cheeper Nightvision option and is priced accordingly - but there Gen3 XT is as good as any Gen3 available - to say any 'exportable' Gen 3 is going to have low specs is hardly fair.
I've used the Newcon NV33 Gen 3 was very impressed with the quality of the manufacturing and the clarity tube.
Newcon housings in general being crap, toy, rubbish...Quote:
Originally Posted by 300MAG
As Tasbay has quoted - the FOM at max 1250 for Exportable Gen3 is less than that of Gen2 - unfortunately its a fact that the specs are shite.
No offence, maybe you havnt used any good gear??
P. sure exportable geniii is FOM 1600 max
Also p. sure that's irrelevant if tube is sourced from outside USA
Also p. sure I wouldn't give someone $5400CA for a tube of unknown origin/quality, in a housing of unknown origin/quality.
Maybe if I got to use one first I'd think about it.
Well I like to think I have - BUT I've also had the chance to compare several models at once (on a dark cloudy night), one of Tasbays Gen 2+ and yes I was very surprised at the quality compared to a earlier Gen 2+ I had used extensively hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanners
The body's of the NV 7 Gen 3 and the PVS 7 Gen 2+ looked very similar very lightly constructed(but both to military spec) - where as the NVS 33 looked of stronger construction.
And comparing to Gen 2+ and Gen 3 whether its 'FOM 1250' or whatever spec there was NO comparison the Gen 3 by a country mile.
I have used a NVS 33 for over 2 years now got it from Grant at Trueflite. Use it like a spotlight hand held (must get a headmount one day) then when I need to shoot slip it onto my scope, worked very well so far.
100% better that my old Gen 2+ scope mounted on my rifle, very hard to use for spotting had to stop find a rest to get a good look through scope.
FOM 1250 max is for tube Exports out of the U.S and also includes tubes imported into U.S.A and then exported out again. Tubes manufactured outside of the U.S and not landed on U.S soil do not have the same restrictions for FOM thats why guys like me and others can import tubes with over 1250 FOM.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Always supprises the hell out of me how many guys buy NV from me in the $6000+ price range unseen. Though I do live in NZ and don`t sell anything I wouldn`t use myself. So they can track me down............................
Wikipedia (sooo reliable) says 1400 FOM for export
1600 is pretty high
I'm sure I read it somewhere though.
Gimp :: What exactly comes with this PVS-14?? Rhino mount / skull crusher/ rail mount/ scope attachment ???Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Yeah the standard kit.
like
http://www.modarmory.com/images/pvs14kitbasic.jpg
How do you guys hunt with your night vision kits. I mean do you use NV headset and red dots, dedicated NV scopes or NV that attaches to your scope?
NV mono with helmet mount, and a QD weaponmount behind Aimpoint Micro T-1
I have 3 set ups, 2 on suppressed 44 magnum rifles ( may as well be unheard as well as unseen). My main kit is 2 or 3 sets of PVS-7 NV Goggles ( depending on whos hunting) a Ruger 44 magnum Suppressed with a Gen2+ nightscope and a IR laser as backup for close hurried shots. My goggles have either the Skull crusher or helmet with attached IR torch that gives about 300 meter clear visibility on black nights and shows up deer and other animals eyes out to around 600mts. We usually hunt deer on no moon nights if we can help it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FletchNZ
Other set up is the goggles/ helmet and IR torch with IR laser and day scope on suppressed 44 magnum Rossi single shot. last is day scope on any other rifle with IR laser attached and PVS-7 with Skull crusher and IR torch, it`s the lite carry for miles rig.
With a bit of practice these rigs are deadly and fun if you have someone tag along who can see as well. That said its heaps funnier having some one along on a black night who can`t see shite and you get to see them flounder around !!
Not cheap set ups and mine have accumulated over a period of years.
Is Gen 1 gear usable with an IR illuminator to help? Or is the resolution just terrible?
Now days I would consider Gen1 Toys ( my kids even refused to use gen1 as toys). I started with Gen1 way back in the early 1990`s when it was all we could get. The tube life of these units is very short and with out alot of IR illumination they are basically usless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
To get anything out of a Gen1 unit you are going to need a spotlight and IR filter to get about 100mts use. Some gen1 tubes have quite high resolution in the 50lp/mm range but light gain is poor.
the fish eye effect of gen1 also takes a bit of getting used to. Many gen1 sets of Goggles have very limited field of view at around 17deg opposed to gen2 and 3 with 36-40deg being the normal range.
You will find on sights like Trademe alot of Gen1 equipment with statments like used once or mounted to a rifle but never taken in the bush, owned 2 months selling as new........ there is a reason for that.
Rule of thumb is if you can buy it over the counter without having to get export approval to import it it`s probably not going to do what you want it to.
I wouldn't take it if someone gave it to me. Worthless; useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Ok, thanks for all the replies. But all the numbers etc is like, well, blah blah blah. LOT's OF MONEY blah blah.
Me arsehole did scrunchy moves when it seen the prices, maybe I should add to the sig, POOR broken arsed rabbiter with fuck all money.
Maybe I'll wait for the app for me mobile, unless someone wants to swap a kid or the cook........
Hi Wirehunt,Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
After chatting with you about your requirements, You will need something of Military grade in the housing at least . I think if you go for something you may want to have a think about a Good set of Goggles and a IR laser on your suppressed .22.
Getting thrashed on the Quad wouldn`t be an issue and you can drive the Quad with the goggles. Easy to add a IR light to your helmet for driving the bike and shooting.
Have a mate in Wanaka commercial rabbit shooting with the same set up. He is getting more work because the light shy Bunnies don`t know hes there.
....................Yep not cheap!! but then it is for professional use so a tax write off and GST claimed back.
As you know, Steve is killing a shitload of rabbits every night with his Pulsar N750 Digisight. Add a 30hz Pulsar Quantum HD38, and you would have the best value pest control combo available. But now that you have experience in these systems, you know what I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
I had a word with Christine, you are in line for the thermal demo equipment again after the Coastguard, DOC and MPI have finished with it. See you next time I'm down your way.
I've looked through a 750 side by side with my D760 and 14 before I sold them- both US Gen3 and I can tell you now you're on crack if you think they even come close.
You're talking Corolla vs Porsche in both performance and price.
You need a decent IR light to get even close to what I would consider average Gen2
IMO Gimp is 100% correct in his statements
Yeh, but why would you compare performance alone between Gen3 and a Digital system that is 1/3 price or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanners
Are you trying to say that all the guys shooting rabbits, pigs and deer with our Digisights around New Zealand are lying about what their results?
Even an average Gen2+ is twice the price of a Digisight. But if you were intelligent, you would be able to understand price v performance v usefulness in a product. I doubt you would shoot any more with a Gen3 that a Digisight. But you would know this if you actually did any NV hunting, instead of spending all your evenings on this forum.
The fact is, heaps of people use our stuff, and get great results. It's only the likes of you that resent this because you wish to remain the NV elite. The reality is, I am making night vision hunting accessible for more people, at an affordable price. Many of these guys are farmers who don't want to spend more than a couple of grand.
I don't say that Gen3 is shit compared to Thermal, because I am intelligent enough to know that everything has an application within its price bracket.
I am away for a few days, so I guess you will have a free reign with your B.S.
PS Spanners, did you activate Sumlight? Most newbies to Digisights don't.
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N750 Digisight, AR15 6.5 Grendel, dead deer.
If this was a Gen3, there would be 6 dead deer :yaeh am not durnk:
You are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Optics NZ
I should have compared it to Chinese gear at 1/3 of the price of it with the same performance.
'Out to 500m...' As thrown around. Yes I amQuote:
Are you trying to say that all the guys shooting rabbits, pigs and deer with our Digisights around New Zealand are lying about what their results?
Hey end of the day you can go to the drags in mums Honda city and still make passes.
That's nothing more than a justification you are putting on a product YOU sell.Quote:
Even an average Gen2+ is twice the price of a Digisight. But if you were intelligent, you would be able to understand price v performance v usefulness in a product. I doubt you would shoot any more with a Gen3 that a Digisight. But you would know this if you actually did any NV hunting, instead of spending all your evenings on this forum.
Reality is; It works... Just Not very well... And Is cheaper than something that does work well
My evenings spent here are actually my afternoons as I'm 1/2 way around the world at work.
Fact is you're trying to pedal your wares here, and to do so requires paying for a banner or your own sectionQuote:
The fact is, heaps of people use our stuff, and get great results. It's only the likes of you that resent this because you wish to remain the NV elite. The reality is, I am making night vision hunting accessible for more people, at an affordable price. Many of these guys are farmers who don't want to spend more than a couple of grand.
The reality is its poor mans NV- you draw to it above.
Ever used a old Sony handycam with NV function and a IR torch?
Thermal and gen3 NV are 2 completely different applications in the same price bracket.Quote:
I don't say that Gen3 is shit compared to Thermal, because I am intelligent enough to know that everything has an application within its price bracket.
I am away for a few days, so I guess you will have a free reign with your B.S.
If you were 'intelligent enough' you would know that thermal and nv are most often used together complementing each other when night hunting.
As I said above, if you want to pedal your wares here then you'll need to pay for advertising
This is my last comment.
When I made the Gen3 - thermal comment, I was talking about rifle sights. You wouldn't use a thermal sight and a Gen3 sight at the same time. That's silly.
I realise that a thermal monocular/bi-oculer would be used with a rifle sight for spotting, because we sell them together all the time.
What I have said all along is that not everyone can afford really expensive NV. We have Gen3 gear coming in this spring, but I'm not going to stop me selling the lower priced kit, because there are heaps of guys out there, and on this forum, who don't want to spend loads of cash.
At the moment, we are targeting Govt agencies with our range of thermal systems, which meant that we had to put the Gen3 on the back-burner. I don't dispute Gen3 is great, I'm about to invest a load of cash on the stuff soon.
We are in the process of having a banner on this forum, but I don't intend to peddle the stuff here, I don't have time. I only jumped in on these threads because people were rubbishing our equipment, without any qualification regarding price, performance, and usefulness. It's my family's livelyhood. Surley you understand that?
I haven't bothered to read properly your comments about camcorders, cars etc, because I've been working my arse-off all day, and I'm leaving for a ferry at 6.00am in the morning. I haven't packed yet.
It's been interesting communicating with you. But I have to go, OK?
*doesn't have time to read Spanners post*
*spends time writing a long reply about how he doesn't have time to read it*
