Nope, price is not of any concern to them, or so I have been told.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
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Nope, price is not of any concern to them, or so I have been told.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Neither is prosecuting people who break firearms laws. They pick on legitimate people instead of going after the problem - people who don't obey the law. The only thing that stops people converting an A into an E is not wanting to be done and have license taken away. If they don't prosecute people who DO break the law, then what is achieved? It's precisely why the whole A/E thing is a pile of horseshit frankly, they are pushing the wrong wagon here.Quote:
Originally Posted by AzumitH
How do gang members get guns? They apply for a firearms licence and the Police approve them…really
"So cops can’t be bothered investigating burglaries – particularly the ones where firearms are stolen – and they can’t undertake quality due diligence on firearms applicants.
But they reserve their right to complain (through Police Association president Greg O’Connor) about crooks pointing guns at them.
Ok.
I hope I don’t have to connect the dots here. Seriously?
We have a national enquiry into how criminals obtain guns. Do we need to follow through?
The issue is the Police and their sloppiness. If they did their job there wouldn’t be an issue.
It is becoming apparent that the Police, at least the Arms Officers aren’t doing their jobs. Is it time to outsource them? If it was me I’d start with Gerry Booth at Manukau, he has to be the worst, most self opinionated, arrogant, clip-board wielding officious cock doing the job of Arms Officer."
There are a number of A cat holders who are turning their AR's into MSSA by choosing to buy large capacity magazines and collapsible stocks. And when private sales of said components are willingly entered in to by the buyer and seller, we're all a bit fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
I agree, not prosecuting those who choose to break the law is a joke.
A cat holders who are already assessed as being 'of good character'. I was more pointing toward the fact an A cat AR15 can live in a bs tinfoil safe, but an E cat AR has to live in an E cat safe - an it takes next to no time to turn an A into an E (2 seconds if we're talking big mags, which is really the only functional difference apart from a collapsing stock) so Mr Burglar doesn't give a toss about the distinction between the two once he's got ahold of an A because he doesn't obey the law. Hence why I think the whole E thing is poorly thought out. They should be more interested in the whole good character thing than stupid stuff like turning in/swapping triggers at customs, and only selling complete ARs, it's unnecessary bullshit that stops nothing and impedes the law-abiding. Actually applying the weight of the law to transgressors (burglars, people selling to unlicensed, etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
This guy being a good example: Gun collector's actions 'abhorrent' - National - NZ Herald News , sentenced to 21 months for selling 121 restricted firearms, inc at least 30 pistols and 4 "machine guns". Reckon he actually served 21 months? Even if he did serve the whole lot, that's just over 5 days per restricted firearm ffs
What a waste of time, effort and money. Police are really taking the piss.
As for the mention of the UN treaty, does that mean the states are not part of it? Because you can build your own rifle there, if they're not part of it why the fuck do we feel the need to be?
This has to be the most ridiculous example of our firearms law in history. Here we are asking how criminals get guns, all while insisting that in other areas of crime that harsh penalties are great deterrents but fail to apply it across the board including firearm crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
I wonder?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
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This whole thing is just off the Richter scale of stupidity.
I asked politely at the AO office about this 'hand in' and was told that this is new policy.
Not wanting to get into a robust discussion in the Police Station about how this is ultra vires and no where is it in the Arms Act I left it at that.
I'll just shift A-cat parts I already own into the E-Cat rifle and buy new replacement parts for the A-Cat locally, no permit or bullsh*t hand in required.
PS, instead of also handing in my import permit notification form for some MSSA mags (no 'hand in' was required for those :wtfsmilie:) then, I purposely went to another station and asked them to send that via internal mail, so they get to waste more time paper pushing.
:omg:
Just read that NZ herald artical.
So they want to tighten gun laws?
Yet the courts can't back the laws!
Yet again law abiding people pay:pissed off:
God first we had Blair now that B*#*{=ее For Petes sake I'd hoped she had crawled of some where down wind to decompose quietly :O_O:Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
Are you actually for real ???. She actually buried anything to do with the Firearms laws and National ( the morons ) dug up the corpse and tried to dress it up .Quote:
Originally Posted by Sideshow
No politics please guys. :D
@dogmatixQuote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
Ask, politely, for a copy of said "New Policy".
My bet is the AO won't be able to produce one.
Cheers
Pete
Just received my import permit for a complete A1 upper. However the conditions written on my permit that I'm a member of a pistol club (which I am anyway) and the imported part to be indelibly marked/stamped with a unique serial number. Since when was that ever policy???
This just gets better and better. :omg:
Makes me want to apply for a permit just so I can ask a bunch of awkward questions.
Wtf
Had the awkward conversation with my AO after sending him an email about the legitimacy of the imposed conditions. Got told outright that PNHQ have the right to put any conditions on the permit. So if I were to argue against the conditions, the existing permit will be canceled. Apparently this is the start of more to come. Going to figure out what serial number to put on the upper receiver since it's an imposed condition.
A fucking serial number on an upper....
Guess we better start putting serial numbers on every pin on every firearm we own.
Seriously a serial number on an upper, what about when you put it on an A cat gun and sell it? What good was that serial number to them?
FUPOLHQ01Quote:
Originally Posted by furstimer
Let COLFO know
Begs the question, what serial # do you put on it?
What's stopping you from scrubbing it?
What if you sell the upper as jexla pointed out?
Lol put it on the inside of the upper where the BCG will wear it off.
Anyone has COLFO's number on speed dial? Haha.
I was gg to advertise my upper as an advertising opportunity. lol.
Make some noise on their FB page, or contact SSANZ via their website.
They recently requested information via the official information act regarding what police are doing with regards to the arms bill rewrite. The response was basically you won't be told anything till it's too late to do anything about it.
Basically NZPHQ are swinging their d*cks about now, after a hiatus since the 2013 Arms Act Changes.
I recon some Senior NZP officer finally said, enough of being doormats, we've created a mess in the fallout from the thumbhole debacle in 2009, so lets be d*ckheads, because we can.
All part of their recent agenda in the media to drum up public concern about firearms in NZ and make further changes to the Arms Act.
Basically, they are, because they can:
18 Issue of permits to import firearms, parts of firearms, or
restricted airguns
(1) Any member of the Police to whom application is made for
the issue of a permit for the purposes of section 16(1)—
(a) may require the applicant to produce for examination
and testing such samples of any firearms, pistols, military
style semi-automatic firearms, starting pistols, restricted
airguns, or restricted weapons of any kind referred
to in the application as the member of the Police
may consider necessary; and
(b) may, in the discretion of that member of the Police,
refuse to grant the permit with respect to—
(i) any firearm, pistol, military style semi-automatic
firearm, starting pistol, restricted airgun, or restricted
weapon of any kind; or
(ii) any parts of a firearm, pistol, military style semiautomatic
firearm, starting pistol, or restricted
weapon of any kind.
(2) Without limiting the discretion conferred by subsection (1)(b),
no application for a permit for the purposes of section 16(1) in
respect of—
(a) a pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, restricted
airgun, or restricted weapon; or
(b) parts of a pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm,
or restricted weapon,—
shall be granted otherwise than by the Commissioner who
shall first be satisfied that there are special reasons why the
pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, restricted airgun,
or restricted weapon or parts to which the application relates
should be allowed into New Zealand.
(3) Any permit issued for the purposes of section 16(1) is personal
to the person to whom it is issued and may not be transferred
to any other person.
(4) Any permit issued for the purposes of section 16(1) may be at
any time revoked by a commissioned officer of Police.
(5) A permit for the purposes of section 16(1) is in no case to
be granted in respect of an anti-personnel mine or a cluster
munition.
COLFO also told me:
The Police do have the right to refuse an import permit if the reason is not special. A special reason for importing is any reason that is not normal.
So make any permit application a special case, say the parts are needed as spares for competition etc, NOT for building or even modifying a MSSA (as I said).
Funny I just made a call about that and got told the very same thing!
Well no, that can't impose conditions on the issue of the permit, other than submitting it for examination. They can only refuse to issue it.
The power to impose conditions is mentioned elsewhere in the Arms Act (e.g. s32.2), but not in relation to s18.
A special reason is only required for pistols, MSSAs and restricted weapons.
If they refuse to issue it, you have the right to appeal that under section 62.
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Somebody needs to take the hand in thing to court
Somebody should refer charges for extortion.
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Mid-July, AO emails suddenly and said he's wants me to resubmit my last permit again. Emailed him back said I'll do that when I'm back in the country. Received it end-July with only the condition to be a member of a pistol club which is inconsequential since I have my B anyway. But the requirement to serialise my upper receiver has been removed. But the date on my permit is still back-dated to the original application.Quote:
Originally Posted by furstimer
I got a permit for an MSSA upper the other day with no conditions.
Future ref if anyone has trouble like this and wishes for it to be sorted by the NSA I can assist you in getting it sorted by The man himself.
Ever vigilant
I have recently received import permits for MSSA parts within weeks of application (two within 3 days, well from date of application to date on the permit)...
All without conditions.
I have one in now and will see how long that takes..