NZ Wide Ammunition Shortage??

For Sale.
Attachment 148800
Part box of CCI subsonic .22lr. $100 ono + freight.

I go to my local most weekends and buy a box or two of 22mag ammo. CCI ammo seems to be in short supply but I always manage to get some.
Pretty pricey at 30 odd bucks for 50 rounds but its worth it for the damage it does to the rabbits

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Originally Posted by Shearer

For Sale.
Attachment 148800
Part box of CCI subsonic .22lr. $100 ono + freight.

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I work in a large retail shop . Steves did get their order just not all of what they ordered was sent...and yes the cost has risen ( international freight mainly )
Covid 19 disruptions for production at all levels from the lead and copper to the freight of such as well has smashed the production timeframes of ammo.
Plus all the protesting in the USA along with the upcoming elections has driven firearms and ammo inc primers powder etc sales to record levels.

Theres bits and pieces coming in here and there but its going to be a bit tough till the USA and the rest of the world sort themselves out

I stocked up on 22 ammo about 3 or 4 shortages ago and figure I should be alright till the next one ?

All Im short on is brass, projectiles and a rifle to shoot them in.

I remember the same sort of thing before the last US election, and the one before that. It'll get better, regardless of who wins. I remember not being able to lay hands on CCI subs for months, and other times the same thing with 17gr 17hmr vmax.

I think this will be more reminiscent of the post - Sandy Hook panic buy to be honest. It took years for supply to stabilize.

I was pushing sh*t uphill to find any 222 ammo at both Gun City and Hunting & Fishing here in Hamilton on the weekend, both places laughed when I asked if they had any .22 cci subs but managed to get some fiocchi instead.

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Originally Posted by zimmer

The rumour is not true or should I say it's facearse bullshit. Just received the message below -

"Dear SSANZ Members,

You may have heard about this rumour circulating on Facebook:
I have just been very reliably informed that the new employees for the next set of confiscation events have been instructed that along with the pump action rifles that have already been banned, the following will be included:

1 Semi-automatic shotguns
2. Bolt-action rifles of calibres greater than 300 Win. Mag.

Never think your firearm is not going to be affected. It will. Just give this government time.

COLFO has sought confirmation from Police and received this reply:

The post is incorrect on both points. Section 2A of the Arms Act, as shown below, makes it clear what impact there is:

1. Semi-automatic shotguns (yellow highlight) and these have already been dealt with in the first buy-back.
2. You will not see any reference below to a bolt action calibre.

Arms Act 1983 No 44 (as at 25 June 2020), Public Act 2A Meaning of prohibited firearm – New Zealand Legislation

2AMeaning of prohibited firearm
(1) In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, prohibited firearm—

(a) means any of the following firearms:
(i) a semi-automatic firearm, other than—
(A) a specified semi-automatic firearm:
(B) a semi-automatic shotgun with a non-detachable tubular magazine or magazines that are capable of holding no more than 5 cartridges commensurate with that firearm’s chamber size:
(C) a small semi-automatic pistol:
(D) a semi-automatic pistol (not being a small semi-automatic pistol) in the possession or under the control of a person referred to in subsection (3):
(ii) a pump-action shotgun that is capable of being used with a detachable magazine:
(iii) a pump-action shotgun that has a non-detachable tubular magazine or magazines that are capable of holding more than 5 cartridges commensurate with that firearm’s chamber size:
(iv) a centrefire pump-action rifle that is capable of being used with a detachable magazine:
(v) a centrefire pump-action rifle that has 1 or more non-detachable magazines (tubular or otherwise) that are capable of holding more than 10 cartridges commensurate with that firearm’s chamber size; and
(b) includes any other firearm declared by Order in Council made under section 74A to be a prohibited firearm for the purposes of this Act.

(2) In subsection (1)(a)(i)(A), specified semi-automatic firearm means a semi-automatic firearm—

(a) that is capable of firing only 0.22 calibre or lower rimfire cartridges; and
(b) that has a magazine, whether or not detachable or otherwise externally fed, that is capable of holding no more than 10 cartridges commensurate with the firearm’s chamber size; and
(c) that does not have a lower receiver that is able to be attached to a centrefire upper receiver so as to result in a firearm that is able to function. "


Secretary
Sporting Shooters Association of New Zealand Inc
PO Box 275
Whangarei 0140
ssanzsec@gmail.com

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SSANZ Secretary has in my view been misusing his position for several months. The nature of his numerous I'll informed political outbursts has brought the organisation into ill repute. His outright despise for New Conservative is now reaching the the point of obsessive and an embarrassment to all SSANZ members.

Now he's best buddies with the Police to undermine the firearms spokesperson for New Conservative. Perhaps you could explain how you managed to achieve such an expeditious reply from Police.

Time to resign, you're nothing short of an embarrassment to both SSANZ members, but the ACT Party to whom you purport to respresent.

Another quality shitpost from InRangeTV with a solution to our problem! https://youtu.be/KXJEEQNrL-Q

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Originally Posted by Ditchjumper

SSANZ Secretary has in my view been misusing his position for several months. The nature of his numerous I'll informed political outbursts has brought the organisation into ill repute. His outright despise for New Conservative is now reaching the the point of obsessive and an embarrassment to all SSANZ members.

Now he's best buddies with the Police to undermine the firearms spokesperson for New Conservative. Perhaps you could explain how you managed to achieve such an expeditious reply from Police.

Time to resign, you're nothing short of an embarrassment to both SSANZ members, but the ACT Party to whom you purport to respresent.

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Interesting the Police's speedy reply only referred to current legislation. But the legislation is not needed for a quick Order In Council once re-elected. I'd not feel that safe.

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Originally Posted by Pav

I was pushing sh*t uphill to find any 222 ammo at both Gun City and Hunting & Fishing here in Hamilton on the weekend, both places laughed when I asked if they had any .22 cci subs but managed to get some fiocchi instead.

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Greetings Pav,
I am sorry to tell you this but the major companies mostly stopped chambering the .222 Remington decades ago. This had nothing to do with performance as it is ideal as a varmint cartridge. It could not compete with with the .223 especially once the latter received a dose of goat glands in the form of a faster twist. There are fortunately a lot of .222 Rem about and those that have them have a treasure. Although you should not have to wait too long for ammo to reappear now may be a good time to start handloading if you are not already.
Regards Grandpamac.

For Auckland based shooters, I have lots of .22 brands on offer, but not large quantities of any particular brand. And plenty of cheap plinking ammo. PM me.

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Originally Posted by Ranger 888

For Auckland based shooters, I have lots of .22 brands on offer, but not large quantities of any particular brand. And plenty of cheap plinking ammo. PM me.

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And I can do something similar for Chch based shooters. I had a rummage through our stock and so far have located a small supply of bricks of 22LR. I will start a FS thread rather than post here though.

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....4/#post1061658

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Originally Posted by Cordite

Interesting the Police's speedy reply only referred to current legislation. But the legislation is not needed for a quick Order In Council once re-elected. I'd not feel that safe.

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Greetings Cordite,
I certainly would not lose any sleep over it. It always helps to look at the source. The New Conservative Party is the old Conservative Party started by Colin Craig (remember him?) renamed. The party has had two turns at bat in the elections and scored two ducks. Currently they are sitting at 0.8% in the polls so a hat trick of ducks looks likely. Looking through their candidates I find only one name that rings a bell and can,t remember why. Does this sound like a reliable source to you?
Rest Easy Grandpamac.

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Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings Cordite,
I certainly would not lose any sleep over it. It always helps to look at the source. The New Conservative Party is the old Conservative Party started by Colin Craig (remember him?) renamed. The party has had two turns at bat in the elections and scored two ducks. Currently they are sitting at 0.8% in the polls so a hat trick of ducks looks likely. Looking through their candidates I find only one name that rings a bell and can,t remember why. Does this sound like a reliable source to you?
Rest Easy Grandpamac.

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Cheers Grandpamac,

Resting easy myself as nought bigger than 7.7mm in my safe.

It is well-known that Cahill is unhappy with what he calls "sniper rifles" out there, so I don't get it what is so incredible about >300WinMag falling victim. We are still to be faced with the 3rd, 4th and 5th tranche of firearms reforms. If not gunning for "sniper rifles", what then? As for semi shotties, PM did want to ban the firearms the Chch gunman used, not just limit their capacity.

It is not safe to dismiss someone who is a committed sports shooter and an IPSC champion in recent years and an investor of millions in the sport as an unreliable source on something important to the shooting community ... just because they are standing for parliament in a certain political party. If Victoria O'Brien says her source is reliable, people better take heed. There is no peace, so let's not go round pretending there is.

There is no doubt in my mind caliber restrictions of some sort will be enacted soon as the slightly thicker part of the wedge of disarmament by 2030 .
Hell we even have a minister for disarmament.
But what is greater than 300winmag?
Is it energy at 1000m? Is it case capacity? Is it wind drift? Is it case head size? Is it recoil? Or is simply bore size? Or is it a case capacity to bore size ratio? Is it barrels over a certain twist rate?.
Any which way you look at it you can be sure we will be shafted again.

@Pav I will send you a PM

My greater concern if there were to be a calibre/energy limit would be how the classic big bores would be treated - everything from 35 Whelen up....for me it would affect 9.3x62, 375 H&H, 416 Rigby....

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Originally Posted by HandH

My greater concern if there were to be a calibre/energy limit would be how the classic big bores would be treated - everything from 35 Whelen up....for me it would affect 9.3x62, 375 H&H, 416 Rigby....

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Yes. All cartridges commonly used by criminals and terrorists alike:wtfsmilie:

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Originally Posted by HandH

My greater concern if there were to be a calibre/energy limit would be how the classic big bores would be treated - everything from 35 Whelen up....for me it would affect 9.3x62, 375 H&H, 416 Rigby....

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Given he brainless/illogical way legislation is thrown together those calbres might be collateral damage if so-called ‘sniper’ calibres are banned.

FFS when has anybody in NZ been ‘ sniped’ at long distance and with a 300WM or similar?
They’re trying to ‘fix’ a problem that doesn’t exist in this country, grrrr:pissed off:

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Originally Posted by Ditchjumper

SSANZ Secretary has in my view been misusing his position for several months. The nature of his numerous I'll informed political outbursts has brought the organisation into ill repute. His outright despise for New Conservative is now reaching the the point of obsessive and an embarrassment to all SSANZ members.

Now he's best buddies with the Police to undermine the firearms spokesperson for New Conservative. Perhaps you could explain how you managed to achieve such an expeditious reply from Police.

Time to resign, you're nothing short of an embarrassment to both SSANZ members, but the ACT Party to whom you purport to respresent.

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Wow. Well, I'm not embarrassed and a couple of other members I checked with said they aren't either. So, not all members as you claim.

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Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Given he brainless/illogical way legislation is thrown together those calbres might be collateral damage if so-called ‘sniper’ calibres are banned.

FFS when has anybody in NZ been ‘ sniped’ at long distance and with a 300WM or similar?
They’re trying to ‘fix’ a problem that doesn’t exist in this country, grrrr:pissed off:

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They’re not fixing anything. They are trying to do away with reasons to own firearms and any collateral damage that happens on the way...’meh it’s just a firearms owner...’


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Originally Posted by HandH

My greater concern if there were to be a calibre/energy limit would be how the classic big bores would be treated - everything from 35 Whelen up....for me it would affect 9.3x62, 375 H&H, 416 Rigby....

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505 gibbs?

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Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Given he brainless/illogical way legislation is thrown together those calbres might be collateral damage if so-called ‘sniper’ calibres are banned.

FFS when has anybody in NZ been ‘ sniped’ at long distance and with a 300WM or similar?
They’re trying to ‘fix’ a problem that doesn’t exist in this country, grrrr:pissed off:

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They are afraid that someone will have a go at them. Their current vest will not stop much, therefore all large calibre guns must go to stop someone being a sniper and taking a cop out. Police have said in the FCAF meeting that large calibre rifles will go, so its only a matter of time that for no reason at all they will implement an upper muzzle energy limit so as to ban a lot of rifles. If they throw in a law change at the same time, like they did with ammo, then they wont have to buy the guns from us.

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Originally Posted by Ditchjumper

SSANZ Secretary has in my view been misusing his position for several months. The nature of his numerous I'll informed political outbursts has brought the organisation into ill repute. His outright despise for New Conservative is now reaching the the point of obsessive and an embarrassment to all SSANZ members.

Now he's best buddies with the Police to undermine the firearms spokesperson for New Conservative. Perhaps you could explain how you managed to achieve such an expeditious reply from Police.

Time to resign, you're nothing short of an embarrassment to both SSANZ members, but the ACT Party to whom you purport to respresent.

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I think the SSANZ secretary does a good job in telling it how it is. NC are going nowhere other than to split the vote with ACT, and that will be bad for all of us, however some gun owners just dont seem to be able to understand that. Does anyone remember a few weeks back we had the rumour that pistols were going to be banned. How has that worked out? Just another rumour. However as we know, anything is just an OIC away from being banned. You can thank National for that piece of legislation, at the time the law society warned them at the time not to do it because OIC's can be abused.

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Originally Posted by HandH

My greater concern if there were to be a calibre/energy limit would be how the classic big bores would be treated - everything from 35 Whelen up....for me it would affect 9.3x62, 375 H&H, 416 Rigby....

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Yes some big game rifles are now prohibited in Canada, they based their recent cartridge ban on muzzle energy as well as bore diameter, unintentionally banning a lot of shotguns as well.

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Originally Posted by Ditchjumper

SSANZ Secretary has in my view been misusing his position for several months. The nature of his numerous I'll informed political outbursts has brought the organisation into ill repute. His outright despise for New Conservative is now reaching the the point of obsessive and an embarrassment to all SSANZ members.

Now he's best buddies with the Police to undermine the firearms spokesperson for New Conservative. Perhaps you could explain how you managed to achieve such an expeditious reply from Police.

Time to resign, you're nothing short of an embarrassment to both SSANZ members, but the ACT Party to whom you purport to respresent.

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Um, the firearms "spokesperson" for NC is doing a very good job of undermining them-self ! Maybe if they spend a bit less time starting bullshit rumours on Faceplant they would regain some semblance of credibility.

Not read much of this thread, but was talking to a mate in the US on Friday, and he is struggling to buy 223/556 ammo as there is a shortage...
He is in Wisconsin, and all the shops seem to have limits... i guess there has been a rush recently...

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Originally Posted by grunzter

Not read much of this thread, but was talking to a mate in the US on Friday, and he is struggling to buy 223/556 ammo as there is a shortage...
He is in Wisconsin, and all the shops seem to have limits... i guess there has been a rush recently...

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'Mrica is preparing for full out civil war :P Orange man sezs Biden wants your guns !

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Originally Posted by GDMP

Heard from my old neighbour in North Carolina last week....tells me a lot of people are afraid of the way things are going there both politically and public safety wise.....firearms are being sold just as fast as they can be manufactured and imported....

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Same around Dallas/Ft Worth.

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Originally Posted by ebf

'Mrica is preparing for full out civil war :P Orange man sezs Biden wants your guns !

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Because the Dems do.

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Originally Posted by grunzter

Not read much of this thread, but was talking to a mate in the US on Friday, and he is struggling to buy 223/556 ammo as there is a shortage...
He is in Wisconsin, and all the shops seem to have limits... i guess there has been a rush recently...

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That's an understatement.

A friend of mine opened up a gun store a few years ago and he's set financially after all of this.

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Originally Posted by ebf

'Mrica is preparing for full out civil war :P Orange man sezs Biden wants your guns !

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Biden has form,His bill banned all semi autos bar .22 lr, had a sunset clause 10 years I think

Hey, at least they'll still have their pistols. And everyone knows pistols are only ever used for self defence.