Thread: To optic or not?

Phil....subsonic is ALL about shot placement...you have next to NO SHOCK when projectile hits...think arrow not bullet.
head/neck or right through breadbasket...if going bread basket...after shot.boil the billy,have your cuppa/ciggy then go find animal.... animal can walk away but will bleed out pretty quickly....with the straight stocked older style a hammer spur is advantage but we got away without it.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Phil....subsonic is ALL about shot placement...you have next to NO SHOCK when projectile hits...think arrow not bullet.
head/neck or right through breadbasket...if going bread basket...after shot.boil the billy,have your cuppa/ciggy then go find animal.... animal can walk away but will bleed out pretty quickly....with the straight stocked older style a hammer spur is advantage but we got away without it.

Whats the comaprison between subsonic .308 vs standard .223 for hunting? That 462ft/lbs figure does not give confidence.

also the 223 will happily point n shoot the likes of goats out to 200-250 subsonic 308 FOR ME would be 75 yards..... I played with subsonic heaps in x39mm and after a few cockups with my house muttons gave it away and went back to .223....the room for error is so much more,a near miss of brain with .223 will have enough shock to drop animal, the subsonic will have it shake head and or just get pissed off.

I know this rifle model comes out with a fibre optic front bead which could be a game changer from other older open sights. Looking at all of the replies( thank you!) I would say it comes down to the quality of your eyes... If you wear glasses then its another ball game! I am going to deny the money hungry retailers and go with the open sights, learn to use them well and rely on that medal I won 30 years ago for marksmanship, as well as good stalking /hunting technique to get as close as possible. ( advice from a retired culler) That way the retrieve is also doing to be easier. If that doesn't work for me I am going to buy a cheap Chinese low powered red dot and scope, and beat them to hell for as long as they last, but that will tell me which option is the next best. Then, if I'm still able, I will get the good stuff and be done. Of course, good load and projectile selection can also help!