Just had my order cancelled. (Leopold product) anybody else had this recently?
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Just had my order cancelled. (Leopold product) anybody else had this recently?
Yes. Euro optic dont ship either.
Call Giles, Taihape Sports. He will do you a ripper deal.
What did you order?
Seem to recall someone posting Mk4's are not available ex US anymore.
Probably a distribution deal where they are not allowed to ship outside of US by Leupold.
Yes as per Stug. Been in place for ages but a lot of them don't abide. Maybe Leupold is now yelling a bit louder. Try Jon @ Opticzone - they generally have the best prices at anyrate.
Did you use a freight forward company?
What freight forward company do you recommend?
Danger Will Robinson. Youshit and shipito don't deal with hunting\shooting optics. You risk loosing your stuff.
Your age is showing @MassiveAttack:sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by MassiveAttack
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Originally Posted by Tuckerbox
Yep Natchez don't either
yep, they're (Opticplanet) arseholes - would not ship to my mates address in USA cos my credit card was "foreign" wtf ?!
They remade Lost in Space in 1998 but maybe that still shows that I am old.Quote:
Originally Posted by madjon_
Well whilst they haven't shipped, they still took my money. Hoping for a quick refund.
I've had to jump hoops before with Optics Planet Re: trying to use a freight forwarder (youcrap) and ITAR.
Phoning them was extremely beneficial and cleared things up immediately, had to wear their freight though in the end.
Wasn't a leupold product however.
He told me the VX6 (older model); as its now called, can be shipped to NZ no worries.
MK4 no can do and he was definitely a bit cagey about other Leupold products for some reason including the new VX6.
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Ordered a Leupold VX1 from Optic Zone on Tuesday, no problem at all.
It's no wonder a lot of overseas retailers won't ship to NZ. With all the threads on sites like this telling everyone where overseas to buy a Loopy, Lowa boots, camping gear etc at less price than here; local importers complain to the manufacturer and Bob's your aunty. The older you get the more you learn to keep your trap shut when onto a good thing.
For what it's worth, I've found local prices for Leupold scopes competitive with the U.S. after freight, GST and custom charges have been added. Not the case with many other products though, unfortunately.
Wouldn't it be easier if local importers just stopped ripping us off?Quote:
Originally Posted by 10-Ring
Someone in the supply chain is making a shitload of money of New Zealanders, and I don't think it's the guy running the local hunting store.
Its ridiculous that the consumer than buy something from the states thats had a local sales tax, store mark up, extortionate shipping to NZ and gst when it lands and still save 25% on buying locally.
Even if you don't save much, it can still be better buying online as can often get a much better selection and easier to buy sometimes.
Half the time I import things just because the selection in NZ is so poor, its a pain in the arse when you struggle to find a single supplier here, and you look on Amazon and see 50 odd options online. I was trying to buy bits and pieces to make a rifle sling and some items that were widely available else where in the world just didn't exist here.
That's never going to happen with some. Not all are greedy though as many are just trying to make a reasonable margin for the time and effort they put into it. The buying power of local importers is miniscule and then they have freight, import duty, low turn over etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
We have less choice and pay more - the downside of living in a low population country on the other side of the world to most manufacturer's whose products we use. Personally though, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world; been there, done that - no thank you.
And sometimes the local retailers just cant be arsed. A few years back I tried really hard to get a local shop to supply a 28 gauge shottie, this was before lead bans and a myriad of 20 gauge autos became popular and then 28 gauge autos became popular.
Their answer was " just shoot lighter loads in a 12 "
What pisses me off is that many retailers here don't have the item in stock but will source from the wholesaler and still want a big mark up with out the outlay.
I know what you mean tetawa. Bear in mind though that the retailer, if he is a small customer, is quite often under pressure to sell the product at the going rate so that the wholesaler's other customers don't hear about it, complain and demand that the wholesaler not supply the first retailer. Can the retailer rely on the customer to keep his mouth shut on a super good deal? Not likely judging by some of the fog horn types on this website and others.
F#+k Amazon buy local retailers & the people working for them have to make a living to .Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
Not when some items like optics are 60% more here, even with shipping etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boaraxa
The crazy thing is Joe fron Joe bloggs gunstore could buy a scope from the USA at full retail, pay NZ duty and US duty, pay non bulk shipping price and still sell it in his shop for less the if he bought it from a NZ "wholesaler".Quote:
Originally Posted by 10-Ring
So where is the bulk parallel importing?
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If you can get them so cheap why don't you start your own shop what would your prices be like ?Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
how much it costs to rent a shop in Auckland ? the whole country gets to hear all the winging from up there in jafa land about fucked roads that arnt big enough , you have to be a millionaire to buy a house so how does that work if everyone buys from overseas & puts no money back into the community ?
You're probably right Beetroot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
The gun mad U.S.A. has a population of over 320 million; NZ has a population 4.5 million. NZ wholesalers can't compete against many huge retail stores and internet outlets in the U.S. who probably sell more of a specific brand of U.S. manufactured scope in one week than is sold in all of NZ in several years. Those large U.S. retail outlets probably work on a 5% or less profit margin. Many brick and mortar gun stores in the U.S. can't even compete.
No comparison can be had with the US, but per capita I bet we at least compete with the likes of some countries such as Australia.
And yet the pricing on say Nightforce, between here and there just takes the piss.
I'm all for supporting local businesses and their staff where possible, but it's also quite ok to see your own dollar go as far as possible.
Service however, can be a lot better overseas in my experience.
An example: using the local agent for replacement chronograph parts and waiting 6 months or something silly, got the shits and re-ordered them off the manufacturers website and had them ex the states inside a fortnight.
I used to work for a NZ distributor. We sold Lowrance units. The total weekly order from Bass Pro one basspro shop was more than our order for an entire year for all NZ.
I could buy one from them and ship it for less than our wholesale price BUT if it broke I had to ship it back to the US at my cost.
Given the consumer gurantees act you would be mad to import it yourself unless you were prepared to assume all the risk.
We used to hold a large stock of spares for units we sold too
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Originally Posted by Boaraxa
Woudlnt do it that way, Id do it out of my garage and be online only.
The issue is which may be scaring retailers, is the potential lack of warrantee, meaning the retailer has to eat the cost, and the capital outlay.
Reloaders supplies have been doing this for years which is why they have always had the best prices in the market. Thats even with them paying for a physical shop in auckland.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Yeah it's got to make you laugh when some are railing on about direct buying from US. Reloaders have been grey importing for years. My CZ525 from them about 10 years ago never came via the NZ agent. Mind you, I don't think any cost savings got passed on to me. But then I do buy other stuff off them at their good rates - swings and roundabouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MassiveAttack
Went with taihape sports in the end. Might as well support locals that undercut the big boys even if it's more than buying overseas.
Ok so im looking to buy a new vx6hd 2-12x42 in the states. How would I get it out?
Loved ship it to back in the day. Would pay extra to have invoices removed and low figures put on the documentation so i didnt get hit at this end.
try webyshops,com
They won't export scopes either.Quote:
Originally Posted by mucko
Recently ordered a scope from them that is unobtainable in NZ. They charged my Visa for the scope pus US$56 freight then told me the order was cancelled due to ITAR restrictions. Haven't refunded my Visa after four days and I'm currently NZ$963 out of pocket. My advice is to stay well away from them.
Dude you will get your money back, it takes like a week for int transactions to reverse and show up. I have had it happen on multiple occasions with a number of well known overseas websites. Be patient.
It seems that Leupold doesn't allow its products to be readily exported. You could probably ask a store if they will ship with an export permit, but it seems to be a Leupold policy so will probably be a no go. Only way will be to bring one back in your luggage on a flight out of the states.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcche171
Only a few select Leupolds are actually ITAR restricted, theres a list on their website.
https://theopticzone.com/product-cat...d-riflescopes/Quote:
Originally Posted by mcche171
Flik Jon at Opticzone and ask the question re availability of your model for export. Also note his discount. You can run an order (note and apply discount code) most of the way thru on his site until you get the shipping cost and then abort the order. That will give you a value to work on.
Don't expect to find many if any dealers though that will "adjust" the declared values nowadays. Those days are pretty well gone. And even if you can beware - I had a US$600 scope come in years ago and without asking the dealer dropped the value to around 10%. Yipee straight thru, no gestapo tax. Then the penny dropped - if the scope had gone missing all I could have claimed was the value on the dodgy invoice the dealer supplied. It would have been poinless trying to explain my CC value didn't match the invoice value on the insurance claim.
Years ago, in the days of telephone orders Sinclairs halved the value of one of my orders virtually without me asking.
Customs also have a reasonable hold on values.
As far as getting hit at this end it is still a lottery but the odds in recent years have swung much more to getting gst'd and bio'd. In fact not getting done is very much the exception I would say. I never get wound up about it and budget for it. If it comes thru without getting gst good, if it doesn't "oh well".
Price your local alternatives first. Sometimes the saving ex US is not worth it.