Thread: Pard vs Pulsar

Here we go!
The second side of the story.Like anything there is 2 sides and often more detail to a story
Issues do occur to all brands; Also with everything (vehicles, Computers, dishwashers and scopes) warranty claims can be denied and often someone decides to vent
Best advice is to ask the other side if you really want to know everything

This was the only fogged scope that we had every had

It was replaced with another new one as we wanted to look further for any potential issues
The second time was a few months later

The first one I can believe, can happen to anything and probably will or has to any brand

With the second one we tested it normally and couldn’t get it to fog, in a similar environment
The only way we got it to fog was by putting in front of a car air conditioner vent

Someone next to me said I’ll take it and brought it then and he was paid out
Before this person got it we took the scope was to put it outside in the rain – actually quite a storm for a week in the rain, damp and sun – nothing happened – it wasn’t repaired in anyway either
That was 8 months ago and the scope is still fine

He also threatened to tell everyone about PARD; which I said fine but tell the full story and say the truth

This post (their first and only post)

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Weird how it was ip67 waterproof rating yet water droplets still got inside. And the chaps above also has water droplets in it? I’m just letting people know my experience I had with pard and how it was handled. You just said the second time you did manage to get it to fog up though, so it did fog up? Which is exactly what I was saying. If it fogs up, it’s not fit for purpose. I was side by side another guy hunting when it fogged up and his unit didn’t so I wasnt doing anything to make it intentionally fog up. Like I said before, why would I want to go out of my way to make a unit faulty. That is totally pointless. I was one of the first to text you when I bought the scope to say how good it was (ds32) but when it fogs up and water droplets get behind the lens, it’s not fit for purpose for me. I’m not going through all this again with you on the forum. I’m simply sharing my experience with pard. I’m sure I’m not the only one either.

Originally Posted by samohtxotom

While it is possible to use a clip on NV without parallax adjustment on your scope it's certainly no where near as clean and your range is limited. I would actually steer away from a dedicated NV scope as they have a much more limited zoom range than traditional scopes, if you're at relatively close range it'd be good, but I can count points on stags out to 600m with my clip on with an external torch which you definitely couldn't do with a dedicated NV scope

You actually used many different NV scopes? I'm currently using a Hikmicro Alpex on my dedicated night rifle and with 3.5-14x zoom it does the job for me. Longest shot on deer is 380m in vineyard situation, so easily known distances. However, I do know that I can see barbs on a barb-wire fence at 300m and gate catch staple at 463m clearly, the barbs can be seen on a moonlit night without IR light. The 4K version may be even better as may be the Arken Zulus. Until I break this one or use someone elses unit I won't know. As posted elsewhere, I have used NV since the eighties and Thermal gear since the mid nineties and aquired a bit of experience. I'm happy with the NV I've got but may upgrade one day, may even go back to thermal scope.

Hi everyone,
I was reading this thread because I was searching for opinions regarding Pard vs Pulsar. My thanks to those who have contributed and thus helped me in a small way.

The discussion about moisture ingress caught my eye.... I think what might be overlooked is that IP67, or whatever water/dust rating the unit had, does not prevent air entering and leaving. I work as a Technical Investigator in the rail industry and we see "waterproof" equipment with moisture in it quite often. It happens because air can get in or out unless it is hermetically sealed. Air can carry moisture with it via humidity etc. Once inside, temperature/pressure changes will then allow it to condense, leaving water inside an otherwise "waterproof" container. Small periods of exposure to moist air don't normally cause a problem, but the effect can cause problematic levels of water to enter something if it is exposed to a damp environment for a prolonged period where temperature fluctuations like the daily cycle can force air in and out in order to equalise the internal pressure. As an example, my father once left a Rolex watch in a field (while he was moving an electric fence for the farmers out there). He found it several months later, but there was condensation on the inside of the dial, despite the watch being water resistant to several 100 metres.

Closer to the subject, do people believe Pard when they quote a sensitivity of <25 mT for their 640x480 sensor? I've read literature from Pulsar claiming that <25 mT for such a small pixel size, 12 micrometres, is not possible consistently in a production environment. I wondered whether guys who have actually used the Pard 640x480 , 25mT devices have been impressed with the picture quality? (my dilemma is the Pard TA62 35mm vs the Pulsar Axion 2 XG35).

Thanks

Originally Posted by leechpool

Hi everyone,
I was reading this thread because I was searching for opinions regarding Pard vs Pulsar. My thanks to those who have contributed and thus helped me in a small way.

The discussion about moisture ingress caught my eye.... I think what might be overlooked is that IP67, or whatever water/dust rating the unit had, does not prevent air entering and leaving. I work as a Technical Investigator in the rail industry and we see "waterproof" equipment with moisture in it quite often. It happens because air can get in or out unless it is hermetically sealed. Air can carry moisture with it via humidity etc. Once inside, temperature/pressure changes will then allow it to condense, leaving water inside an otherwise "waterproof" container. Small periods of exposure to moist air don't normally cause a problem, but the effect can cause problematic levels of water to enter something if it is exposed to a damp environment for a prolonged period where temperature fluctuations like the daily cycle can force air in and out in order to equalise the internal pressure. As an example, my father once left a Rolex watch in a field (while he was moving an electric fence for the farmers out there). He found it several months later, but there was condensation on the inside of the dial, despite the watch being water resistant to several 100 metres.

Closer to the subject, do people believe Pard when they quote a sensitivity of <25 mT for their 640x480 sensor? I've read literature from Pulsar claiming that <25 mT for such a small pixel size, 12 micrometres, is not possible consistently in a production environment. I wondered whether guys who have actually used the Pard 640x480 , 25mT devices have been impressed with the picture quality? (my dilemma is the Pard TA62 35mm vs the Pulsar Axion 2 XG35).

Thanks

The Chinese have well and truly slotted into first place in regards to thermal sensors. I wouldn't be too concerned about what Pulsar claim is possible. Instead spend time comparing products side by side in various conditions and draw a conclusion from what you see.

I have been offered a Pard SA45LRF thermal scope for $2000 with an AIMS mount on it. so it is easy to remove and put back on my 22 ,308,6.5 crudmoor that have rails on them. I was going to get a handheld thermal for this purpose. So could I use the scope as a handheld as well or am I just going to wreck it doing that?
So a bit of advice from experienced hunters that use this gear would be great what do you think

Yip you can use scope as a handheld I did the same thing till I brought a handheld, is your mount a return to zero one?

yes it is

Then you will have no issues using it as a scanner as long as you put back in the right slots everytime

Just a quick update on my TA-62 Pard. After getting it fixed I haven't had any problems again with moisture (water droplets in the sensor). Used it extensively recently on my home trip and it worked flawless. Compared it to an infiray thermal and having the bigger objective size on the infiray helped to see out further than the pard (kind of like a zoom) but not by much. My brother borrowed the pard and found a mob of 20 pigs hiding in a scrubby gut. He would've walked past them without it. Needless to say I only just managed to get it back lol. Why I like the Pard is definitely for its size although I'd be happy with a dearer pulsar or infiray if my wife would let me 😆