Thread: Police at it again

I have sent the following email to Stuart Nash at stuart.nash@parliament.govt.nz and
stuart.nashmp@parliament.govt.nz
Titled “NZ Police making their own laws”.
I encourage everyone else to either copy this email and send it as your own or write something yourself and send it to our minister of police letting him know this is unacceptable.



Dear Minister of Police,


On Thursday morning the firearms community was made aware of a new NZ Police protocol/policy on preventing the legal importation of legal firearms parts by law abiding firearms owners.

If you are unaware of what protocol I am referring to please see the attached images.

This change is illegal. There is no law preventing the legal importation of firearms parts for semi-automatic firearms that are not specifically going to be fitted to an E-category firearms.

The law requires import permits for parts that are ONLY able to be fitted to a semi-automatic firearms AND have one of the following features; collapsible stock, high capacity magazine, bayonet lug, freestanding pistol grip or a flash suppressor, OR if the part is specifically imported to be fitted to an E-category firearms. Firearms licence holders are fit and proper people therefore should be trusted that if the part is intended for use on a restricted firearms they will apply for an import permit for that part.

Please note that parts that have a collapsible stock, high capacity magazine, bayonet lug, freestanding pistol grip or a flash suppressor, there are many different rifles that these parts can be fitted to that are not semi-automatic firearms so majority of these parts are not inherently E-category firearms parts.

As the minister of police and a member of the current government you have an obligation to prevent the mistreatment of law abiding citizens and have a duty of prevent firearms owners being mistreated. You also have a duty to ensure that the NZ Police are policing the law, not making their own law to police, this is not legal!

As you are now informed on how the NZ Police are not correctly policing the law and are stepping outside the duties they hold I expect that you will take the appropriate action to prevent the further exploitation of law abiding firearms owners.


Should you seek further information on what legally requires an import permit and what parts do not require such permits please refer to the Arms Act 1983 Section 16.

I look forward to hearing what action you are going to take to redress this issue.


Kind Regards,





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thats wheely onto it. I shall send one also.

Originally Posted by mikee

I'm sure it is harder than I think too, BUT they chose to do it, I did not. I choose to be law abiding however

You on just scrape in to that last sentence!

Good work @wheels , just the info needed to make a sensible request to the Minister, who will be hearing from me shortly (along with my local MP's).

Could this also be processed through a formal complaint to the Independent Police Conduct Authority? Independent of both Police and government sounds like a good thing!

https://www.ipca.govt.nz/

Originally Posted by Oli1102

Could this also be processed through a formal complaint to the Independent Police Conduct Authority? Independent of both Police and government sounds like a good thing!

https://www.ipca.govt.nz/

The word "independent", is one of those Wellington Bureaucrat in jokes. There is nothing independent about the complaints authority. It is a political appointment and he, or she will always find in favour of the police.

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Got this back from Stuart Nash’s office this morning. I recommend bombarding his office with more emails so he understands that we won’t put up with being pushed around by police making their own rules.


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Originally Posted by JWB

The word "independent", is one of those Wellington Bureaucrat in jokes. There is nothing independent about the complaints authority. It is a political appointment and he, or she will always find in favour of the police.

In situations like this that impact all f/a licence holders, emotive rubbish has no place. Save it for the retarded rugby or dog threads.

A 5 second search like ‘IPCA finds against police’ will show you are completely wrong.

Some of you guys need to get your emotions under control. You embarrass yourselves and other licence holders by extension by some of the content you post.

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

In situations like this that impact all f/a licence holders, emotive rubbish has no place. Save it for the retarded rugby or dog threads.

A 5 second search like ‘IPCA finds against police’ will show you are completely wrong.

Some of you guys need to get your emotions under control. You embarrass yourselves and other licence holders by extension by some of the content you post.

@Proudkiwi,

Good point re being too dismissive of the powers that be.

It is however difficult to confidently assert that IPCA is independent of Police based on it making findings against Police. Besides NZ being a small place, the IPCA itself does not investigate complaints but delegates investigations to serving cops, cop investigating cop.

Notwithstanding this, IPCA's lack of independence while unhelpful clearly does not necessarily impact on IPCA's sincerity.

Is there something not quite right about putting the fox in the henhouse to count the chickens?

Interesting.

Tell me, how long did you serve in the police or on the authority?

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

Interesting.
Tell me, how long did you serve in the police or on the authority?

@Proudkiwi

Yeah, nah, you show us yours first. Really?

Well I didnt serve on the authority but I certainly investigated other cops during my time.

Your posts come across as superficial to anyone that actually has any experience. Copy and pasting at its finest.

Feel free to not quote or reference my posts because I really don’t need the ‘support’

Back to my main point.

Rubbish/uninformed/emotive posts, exemplified by the ones above from JWB and Cordite embarrass us all. Please stop.

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

Well I didnt serve on the authority but I certainly investigated other cops during my time.

Your posts come across as superficial to anyone that actually has any experience. Copy and pasting at its finest.

Feel free to not quote or reference my posts because I really don’t need the ‘support’

Back to my main point.

Rubbish/uninformed/emotive posts, exemplified by the ones above froJWB and Cordite embarrass us all. Please stop.

Why don't you elucidate us on what the process and how it is independent since we are obviously cynical and don't think it is. Rather than just saying stuff and not explaining it. Which is what you're complaining about.

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