Bit over the top!?
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Bit over the top!?
Armed police swoop seen as 'over the top' | Stuff.co.nz
Maybe we should have a licence for city people to live the in country
A simple call to the local cops prior letting them know his intentions would have helped.
8o meters is fairly close to a nighbours dwelling tho, dont think i would have arced up with out checking with neighbours first?
Ah the joys of urban sprawl...
Only too so.................Quote:
Originally Posted by SIKAHUNTER
When we purchased 18 years ago, we could see only two dwellings from our 4+hectare property. Now I can count 6 with more to come on the new adjoining subdivision, (where because of the minuscule sections), they will be building hard up against my boundary, Sigh..........
Invite the neighbours over for a shoot next time!
Yeah, getting to the stage where you can't shoot on your own land - must be damn frustrating. Happens often enough back in the UK that it doesn't make the papers when the Armed Response gets called out on a farmer popping bunnies, but guess as more of those little houses start popping up here...
4 HA isnt exactly a large property and if he has neighbours on his boundaries they will most likely ALL be within the potential fallout even from a shotgun
For me it was a seriously bad choice on his part to be shooting within 80M of houses and I would be fucking spewing if my neighbours started blazing away that close to the house. We hear shots pretty regularly here and opening day is like D-Day but its a case of where and how you shoot. Could he have: gone to a range, shot on the other boundary, gone to some DOC land, used a suppressed .22 like everybody else etc etc
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Good idea.
Bad idea, if it's within 80m of another house, regardless of the suppressor, 7.62 packs a punch.Quote:
7.62 rifle with a silencer
Yup, would not have been impressed if I was his neighbor.
If the article is correct, they fired about 20 rounds of 7.62x39, not the most intelligent thing I've heard of, with houses that close by it is effectively urban.
Should have invited the neighbours over for a blast! I live semirural and when I moved in I went round the locals not only to introduce myself but ask if they had a possoms/rabbit or two to shoot. Now at least once a fortnight let of a few rounds (safely, ie into a dirt bank) if there ain't any varmits to dispose of. Neighbours know it's just me havin a blast and all's good.
More talkies over the fence = less explainies to the fuzz.
Yea when me and some mates set up a rough IPSC type course on a dairy farm I got the mate that lives on it to let all the neighbors within ear shot know that they would be hearing a lot of gun shots, so don't panic and call the cops. Sweet day, no dramas.
seems he thought about it - to extent of locking gate and signs
Never told the full story of course - i.e. what and where he was shooting (background in photo looks quite rough (not open farmland) - could well have been into a earth pit in a bank
I'd be rather unhappy if I was doing something (anything really) safely (legally) on my property and someone makes a "call" to the cops - we have rights as well!
different strokes for different folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by faregame
would you feel the same if it was your neighbor (shooting 80m from your house) doing this i.e. you on the receiving end ?
It's not like he's on a canterbury flat lifestyle block? Looks hilly and rural. Bloomin urban types moving out. I'd be pretty pissed off it I'd lived in a 10acre block and some yuppies moved out and told me I couldn't shoot the rabbits on my land. On the other hand, a 7.62 with a silencer is a bit silly. Shotgun shouldn't be.
Since when is discharging a firearm around buildings illegal. 75% of my rabbit killing is on a couple of farms where I specifically have to target those that live around farm buildings. 3 possums and 8 bunnies last night and most of those were within 80m of the buildings esp the possums.
Arms Act 1983Quote:
Originally Posted by scottrods
Public Act 1983 No 44
Section 48
Arms Amendment Act 1992
Public Act 1992 No 95
Section 25
(There go's plinking bunnies from the kitchen window)
80m towards my house - yep bugger thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ebf
80m away - nope - my hunting mates are closer than that to me when they fire and thats safe - distance isn't really the point - safe direction etc is
I hear the pistol club from my home in the city. Its just 185m till you reach hundreds of houses from the range
They also shoot 223 and similar there from what I know (police use it too)
As for annoying or frightening someone - well he did it in the middle of the day - not the middle of the night; nor does it sound like he was up to their house
More like a waste of police resources - how did the complainant consider themselves or someone to be in danger - love that neighbourhood
As for the Police pointing rifles at him - lay a complaint - gee after they talked to him (15mins) they do this - again on what basis (doubt we'll ever know)
Yup, that was his version, would be interesting to hear the AOS side.Quote:
Originally Posted by faregame
But agreed, unless he was doing something really stupid, does not warrant having rifles pointed at him... If he was walking with his hands in plain view, especially after having spoken to them I would be very surprised in the standard procedures would be to aim rifles directly at the person ?
My nearest neighbour is about 600m-800m away, a retired cop. In the other direction the next nearest is about the same difference, a current cop. I always let them know when there is going to be a big bomb up. Never had any issues
Yup, I think that's the real story. Diverting limited resources over a 'panic', hopefully the Police also delivered a message to the complainant to be more intelligent before thinking there's a real problem nearby. Unlikely but I live in hope :DQuote:
Originally Posted by faregame
Paranoia reins supreme?
There's another thread on the same subject somewhere but it's not an offence to discharge a firearm near a house per se. It's only if the court considers that without reasonable cause you frightened or annoyed someone or that you endangered someone's property that you commit the offence.
If the muppet had just telephoned next door there may not have been a problem?!
Discharging firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon in or near dwellinghouse or public place
Every person commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine not exceeding $3,000 or to both who, without reasonable cause, discharges a firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon in or near—
(a) a dwellinghouse; or
(b) a public place,—
so as to endanger property or to endanger, annoy, or frighten any person.
That's a bit wide open
my neighbours live with it:D thank goodness the old neighbours are gone.100 mtres so we should be rite.
Every where I go I have a weopon,2ks dwn a public road every day no probs:yuush:
Why is everybody assuming the neighbour "panicked" and he wasnt just pissed off that the annoying twat next door was banging away again - we only have one side of the story
I find it surprising that people think that is is OK to be shooting that close to another persons home while they are in it, or that the rules are somehow different in the country. Walk 80 metres up your street (measure it), look back and think if you would like someone you dont know or trust shooting an SKS or shotgun that close.
We hear shots from people illegally spotlighting in our river boundary every couple of weeks, anwhere up to a km away up the valley is easily loud enough to wake us up - is that OK and we should "expect it" because we live in the country?? Its a cunt of a thing actually, dumb asses obviously havent taken the time to look at a map and realise that there are 5 houses + untold stock units right along the banks where they are shooting centerfire rifles into the dark. I guess Im just a moaner for thinking its a wee bit annoying though?
+1, completely agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Cyclist
+2Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
And where a firearm is involved the action generally needs to be decisive, just in case it is a bit more serious.
yep only 1 side of the story -
Complainants still need to have some probable reason to involve the police in some illegal activity - spot lighting, middle of the night - hell that could be me on a farm after possums - but seen to be on your property - very different - or in a area where you know that NO ONE is allowed etc but legally doing so on his property is very different to say poachers or randomly firing a rifle into the air, or worse - this is actually just a noise issue
To take firearms away from it
A few years ago - couple had a house with a very very nice view - .. Lovely couple .. - but the neighbours slightly below them on the hill decided that they liked privacy the most - So they dumped a heap of dirt on their property to "shield" their house from view - in doing so blocked quite a bit of the view of the couple above.
Everyone thought the lower couple were wankers - blocking part of the view etc; even though really to see their house from the upper house you had to make a effort to do so
However it was all legal and their property - they just choose to dump dirt in one place!
Point is - yeah firearms that close to anyones house can be annoying - and to do it regularly maybe anti social to the neighbours - same as that pile of dirt really - but if its legal to do there can be no issue
I know the Pomona Road area where this guy lives. Its pretty built up now days, was orchard country but now houses and lifestyle blocks of 7-10 acres. I would be reluctant to go banging away with a 12g or a 7.62 ,suppressed or not in that area.
There are a few in the area who shoot Rabbits on their propertys but most now use .22`s with suppressors, or the odd shotgun blast is accepted.
bear in mind some yuppies once complained that the nabours cows chewed too loudly
Yuppies dont know about rural life
the cops done as they should have - contained the suituation, no-one was hurt by their actions. job done. Going blind into a unknown suituation involving firearms is a risky game. how were they to know it was all safe and ok? they didnt so in they went
now that cops have sighted the person involved the problem should go away. they know his intentions and who he is
can you internet professionals understand the mindset of an officer expected to go into an unknown suituation to sort out firearms issue?
Sounds like he's in Australia
I think you're comparing apples with oranges. Yea, what you have going on would be annoying. But what you are describing is a completely different situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclist
This guy was firing in the middle of the day. On his own land.
No one has said there was anyone in the house that was 80 meters away. It's obviously a lifestyle area. That might be his next door neighbour that he mentioned wasn't home.
Yea sure if there was someone home in a house 80 meters away I would be annoyed also. That's very close to have shooting going on and to not be fore warned. The article said neighbours 40 metres away had not heard the shooting. Which is surprising. One would hope he had let people that close by know about it.
Unfortunately we do not know all the details, so it is hard to know what to think.
If the police really did contact him and 15 minutes later the AOS showed up, they need to work on their communication.
This is what the arms act says
48 Discharging firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon in or near dwellinghouse or public place
Every person commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine not exceeding $3,000 or to both who, without reasonable cause, discharges a firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon in or near—
(a) a dwellinghouse; or
(b) a public place,—
so as to endanger property or to endanger, annoy, or frighten any person
The words reasonable cause and annoy are the key ones here , all you have to do is tell the police that you were annoyed by the noise ,
Unfortunatly there is no definition of "Near"
a public place is defined as
public place means a place that, at any material time, is open to or is being used by the public, whether free or on payment of a charge, and whether any owner or occupier of the place is lawfully entitled to exclude or eject any person from that place; and includes any aircraft, hovercraft, ship or ferry or other vessel, train, or vehicle carrying or available to carry passengers for reward
I guess I'm in the clear because the dwelling owners have invited me on to their land to eliminate the possums and rabbits, mice, rats and hedgehogs plus any wild cats around. Their land is 4000 acres but most of those beasties are in the couple of acres around the buildings.
I know one young guy who fired a shot about 150m from his anti gun neighbours , nearly 3 years and thousands and thousands of dollars later he go off , but at a cost to his parents and himself both financially and emotionally . It only cost the neighbours a few dollars in gas to go and watch the court case.
Later they complained to the Police that a Neighbour was shooting a pistol , it turned out to be a nail gun , they were told to stop wasting Police time .
Also I believe it is now Police policy to respond with the AOS to any firearms related complaint .