Thread: Possible new shop in Nelson

Some of the local nelsonians may be aware that H&F Nelson have bought out Stirling Sports in Richmond

So there Maybe be another small "shop" opening up for reloading, ammo stuff, scopes, rifles etc

Really depends on demand

H&F having a monopoly in Nelson isn't going down too well locally

Plenty of guys would come from Marlborough to go to Stirlings, going past two H&Fs in the process.......

Let me know what you think, PM if you like

Cheers Greg

You already know my thoughts but I am biased anyway as HF are not my cuppa

Originally Posted by mikee

You already know my thoughts but I am biased anyway as HF are not my cuppa

+1 you no what I said



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In the past it is entirely likely that a couple of shops locally that have closed haven't been helped by the guys behind the counter giving healthy discounts & great deals.

It is a fine line between giving good clients a great deal/discount to keep their valued custom & making an acceptable profit....

Non-acceptable profit eventually means no shop, no matter how you cut it....

Overheads on a traditional shop are pretty high & shops face severe competition from the internet as illustrated constantly on this forum & others

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

In the past it is entirely likely that a couple of shops locally that have closed haven't been helped by the guys behind the counter giving healthy discounts & great deals.

It is a fine line between giving good clients a great deal/discount to keep their valued custom & making an acceptable profit....

Non-acceptable profit eventually means no shop, no matter how you cut it....

Overheads on a traditional shop are pretty high & shops face severe competition from the internet as illustrated constantly on this forum & others

Agreed, but i always look for a better deal buying stuff especially shottie ammo in bulk. Stirling always got my business because a) I got brilliant service and
b) sometimes a discount.


In fact I sent a lot of others there because they (read James) gave good service not sure if they got $ off though.

Trouble is I am just one person and you won't make enough profit of me to pay your costs, my budget for new guns is already stretched. If its a choice of H&F or H&F then it most likely will be back to group buying in bulk via a couple of clubs I belong too.

Sounds like a business opportunity KG. I have often wondered whether Auckland could support a decent private (non franchise) shop but learning today that there are only 6000 licensed firearms owners in Auckland and being able to think of six stores off the top of my head (with a seventh just having closed), I suspect that there is not much opportunity.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Sounds like a business opportunity KG.

I wonder about that @Rushy ... It would be a hard hard road to hoe, going against the ability of a large national chain of franchises with their combined advertising power and purchasing power ...

Yes, there would be people who do come to any alternative store in avoidance of H+F, and over time the business would grow, but like most of retailing you'd be fighting against high rent prices, internet retail and small and decreasing margins.

Dont wish to be a gloom merchant, but theres clouds on the horizon for the whole retail model at the moment ... the dynamic has changed radically over the last few years ... and will continue to change ...

Originally Posted by kiwi39

I wonder about that @Rushy ... It would be a hard hard road to hoe, going against the ability of a large national chain of franchises with their combined advertising power and purchasing power ...

Yes, there would be people who do come to any alternative store in avoidance of H+F, and over time the business would grow, but like most of retailing you'd be fighting against high rent prices, internet retail and small and decreasing margins.

Dont wish to be a gloom merchant, but theres clouds on the horizon for the whole retail model at the moment ... the dynamic has changed radically over the last few years ... and will continue to change ...

That is true.

Originally Posted by kiwi39

I wonder about that @Rushy ... It would be a hard hard road to hoe, going against the ability of a large national chain of franchises with their combined advertising power and purchasing power ...

Yes, there would be people who do come to any alternative store in avoidance of H+F, and over time the business would grow, but like most of retailing you'd be fighting against high rent prices, internet retail and small and decreasing margins.

Dont wish to be a gloom merchant, but theres clouds on the horizon for the whole retail model at the moment ... the dynamic has changed radically over the last few years ... and will continue to change ...

Purchasing power does fuck all for H&F when they are too top heavy!
They're over head costs eat away at the savings they could pass on.

kiwi39, I'm not having a go at you if that's how it reads.

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Originally Posted by kiwi39

I wonder about that @Rushy ... It would be a hard hard road to hoe, going against the ability of a large national chain of franchises with their combined advertising power and purchasing power ...

Yes, there would be people who do come to any alternative store in avoidance of H+F, and over time the business would grow, but like most of retailing you'd be fighting against high rent prices, internet retail and small and decreasing margins.

Dont wish to be a gloom merchant, but theres clouds on the horizon for the whole retail model at the moment ... the dynamic has changed radically over the last few years ... and will continue to change ...

You are making perfect sense and something I'm well aware of.
It would just be an add on to Terminator Products
Which is a division of my joinery company
I have my Dealers licence & have plenty of existing accounts with wholesales some of which are very keen for me to do something
I would only start small, it won't be that flash & open 7 days or anything silly like that.
It really will be a supply & demand thing.
I already have plenty if primers, 162 Amaxs, Bergers etc for my existing clients
We will have to wait & see

Where did the figure of 6000 come from Rushy?

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Where did the figure of 6000 come from Rushy?

Was in an article link on a thread her that gave the number and percentage of licence holders by province.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Was in an article link on a thread her that gave the number and percentage of licence holders by province.

Auckland district is basically old Auckland city, great barrier Is and waiheke, so a pissy little area.
Your forgetting counties/manukau and waitemata districts.

See the thread "You busy South Islanders"

Are you looking at opening a shop up?

I say go for it