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Got a new / used .22 that has come with a very small skinny suppressor.
I am after the quietest suppressor I can get, the area I am hunting is tight close cover and really want as little noise as possible. ( using subs )
You guys have any brand / model you can recommend ?
Cheers for the input guys
Gunworks have made Maximus sized .22 cans in the past, I have one and while it's not my favorite can due to its size and length(I got them to do it with a few extra baffles) it is remarkably quiet. With the neoprene cover on it you are listening to the firing pin on a bolt gun. It's heavy so really changes the harmonics of most hunting barrels.
Practically I like the Gunworks .22 mag can and the asu can
I currently have a DPT 3 baffle can on my .22, and it is very good. The best I have used however was one of those push-on plastic cans, but it would not fit on the new rifle so it had to go. The worst was the one that came on the Gun City 10/22 carbon barrel.
This type of push-on suppressor was the best I used is regards to sound suppression - over 20,000 rounds with no issues.
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those push on jobs work really well, and given the size of the holes in the baffles its a really strong argument for volume being a key factor
I put a 22wmr suppressor on my 22lr rifle and it is pretty effective. Click, thud, ching.
Had an ase utra one, very low profile, really quite on the 22 and 17hmr but is heavy.
The quietest suppressors are the ones with the greatest volume, incorporating an efficient gas-trapping system (eg. close fitting baffles with a recurve face). Volume is the key factor, baffle design is secondary. Claims for quiet designs without volume are bullshit. A suppressor works by slowing and cooling the muzzle gases with sufficient volume to allow the gases to expand and cool. Small, quiet suppressors are a product of Hollywood!
Interesting, so all the decibel ratings are bull shit too?
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As a layman I completely agree, some are much more quiet for there volume than others to be fair but volume still seems to be kingQuote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
Love my modular DPT one on the Marlin semi-auto .22 Works a treat every time.
Pretty much! The only accurate readings are done with a properly calibrated decibel meter and then comparative readings of the available range of suppressors done with one firearm, one batch of ammo, all on the same day with the microphones in identical positions for each shot. Even then you will only have reasonably reliable comparative figures, rather than absolutely accurate decibel readings. Good .22 rimfire suppressors will achieve 30+ decibel reduction. Most .22 Magnum suppressors are a good size for achieving excellent results with .22 LR subsonic ammo. Sadly, there is a lot of bullshit in the advertising hype of some NZ manufaturers. My experience is based on over 40 years of commercial suppressor design and manufacture, covering rimfire and centrefire rifles, pistols and SMG's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nibblet
hushpro $100 on a bolt action 22 with a good subsonic ammo all you hear is the click of the firing pin and the thud of the bullet hitting the target
i use a gunworks 22mag one but i would say its a bit louder then just hearing the firing pin.
Gun works 22mag can user aswell, works really well
My MAE .22WMR works quite well, still a crack on the supers but very good otherwise...
Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
I am sorry to say that the above is not true.
There are many suppressors on the market which are at the same level of suppression or even quieter than larger, simpler suppressors, volume itself is not the key.
Effective baffle design and use of the space is more critical.
Dont just take my word for it, this has been proven many times over the recent decades in independent/unbiased tests around the world.
Also thinking of volume and size, usually the requirement from hunters and sport shooters is for smaller, lighter suppressors.
Best Regards!
Tuukka Jokinen
Sales and Marketing Manager
Ase Utra sound suppressors
+1
MAE over barrel suppressor works wonders I think.
That's an excellent observation and very true, I have one of the Hussssh suppressors, the thing is tiny , weights nothing and is made of plastic. However for it's size it out performs suppressors many times it's size, the balance on the rifle is amazing ( like it's not there. Like Tuukka says, baffle design and use of the internal space are the big design features that influence performance. One area that doesn't seem to be talked about is materials used in the construction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuukka
Some materials resonate and vibrate much more than other materials. My little Husssh suppressor has done in excess of 3000 rds of 22lr and showing no signs of wear and never been cleaned.
DPT. My .22 goes click. It's a 10/22 so if you believe folks it's lucky to hit anything
It's got a few "special" bits and actually hits everything you point it at
Bit like that .223 you got from me
How many modules have you got on that. Standard or have you added some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
interesting that a "sales and marketing manager" will argue /disagree with a gunsmith of many years outstanding service,who will have fitted and used more different types than the other has had hot dinners..... I know whos word I would believe.
one fitted them for a living..the other sells them for a living.....
if buying a car would you listen to a mechanic or the salesman to see what is good and whats a dud???
.22LR subsonic. Does it matter? Maybe it does a little. I've had an el cheapo Hushpower and now an expensive Hardy over-barrel. In both cases, the firing pin striking the cartridge was louder than anything else.
Its Good to see you boys playing nice while pissing into the wind comparing cough cough
FSS,s little 22lr K baffles work great and have had many comments on how quiet they are
and i do use the ASE line as well on the centerfire .
My passion is about suppressors just ask Darren hahaa and the one we did on a very short barrel 303 [No Wood on it ]
you Bubba lovers will hate it but it did work very well indeed sound and kick wise
Cheers to you all
Ive got one of those screw on bottle adaptors. Even that is really quiet. Just looks weird thats all. Bigger the bottle the quieter it is so that must prove something about internal volume
Pffft what would a mechanic know about cars :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
8 year old thread, bored?Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
was linked to another recent one....not bored at all.
Hi All, first I would say to qualify my comments I have been designing, developing and manufacturing special suppressors for many years including a very successful venture with my fully suppressed 410 and now a 20G.....they are very quiet with standard ammo and are small and light !!!
I have to say that whilst Tuukka might have the tile of "sales and marketing manager" ASE suppressor are extremely efficient and are in some cases full auto rated, that would simply shred other suppressors in seconds. I have peered into them and the baffle geometry is so complex that I still wonder how they make them, and NO I have no affiliation with them at all.
Now the fact is baffle design really is key to efficiency over size, yes volume is your friend but that is rather a blunt instrument in this situation, if you want something small and efficient it really is down to baffle design. If you are happy with a large volume can on the muzzle then good for you but many want something small and technologically superior. For example, the small k baffle suppressor I make for 22s is only 25 mm dia. so has suited many that want a can on a pistol but still see the sights. It is also still quiet when many get loud with a shorter barrel.
You could liken it to cars, many like a big agricultural V8, I on the other hand a have a Lotus Elise that has a small 4 cylinder 1.8 engine but the vehicle is engineered to be very light and handles like you wouldn't believe. Now I am not necessarily saying one is better than the other, just depends what you want.
As for those who talk about putting coke bottles on the muzzle rather than a well-designed unit, well if you are happy with that then good for you and you get a free drink ha ha
All the best
Darren
Beg to differ. I have seen and heard Gundoc perform. Annihilated the opposition on fact and testing. Finland has nice gear...Tikka ,but you got your analysis wrong. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuukka
Hi coke bottle guy here. It baffles me how a simple bottle quietens down my 22lr and it has no baffles at all in it. As a comparison a bottle over 500ml is comparable to my mae mighty mouse and buffalo river I think it is. Put a bigger bottle on and its quieter than the purpose built suppressors which although obviously Im no expert would lead me to believe the volume of the device has some bearing on it. That is unless coke bottles primary use was intended to be a suppressor and a drink bottle was just another use for it, the glass ones dont work so well:P
Btw I dont use the bottles as suppressors as obviously I have purpose built ones. I'm just a guy that like experimenting and testing theories
