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So I'm wanting a supressor for my 6.5 grendel. It shoots and kills out to 400m easy enough and id like to make it as quiet as possible. What's everyone's experiences with different supressors? I've used maniatis, hardys, dpt and greystone. But all on different rifles so can't compare.
There was a really good review done a couple of years back in NZ Hunter mag, probably a bit out of date now but covered 20 or more brands/models that were on the market. In general, and from memory, the heavier ones were best in reducing noise.
Shulz and Larsen works quite well, doesnt have the ping associated with some. Has baffles etc that can be added or lessed
Is a bit like a DPT in design (modular)
Hands down MAE stainless from Gary Mcoll at MAE engineering
Then Gabe Ziglianis suppressors from High Country Sport in Fairlie
Suppressor test was in rod and rifle from memory and should be online if you give it a Google. Quietest from memory was a ase Sl7. Generally the bigger the better, volume Infront of the muzzle is more effective than that behind also. Interestingly steel is meant to be quieter than alloy, something to do with the temperature of the gas heating suppressor and how it affects sound?
Obviously big heavy suppressors aren't much use on small portable hunting rifles, I've been happy with both dpt and gunworks over barrels on a 7-08 and 300 mag, the dpt probably marginally better but it's hard to pick. DPT muzzle forward on the 223 I've been slightly disappointed in, although it's probably due to the shorter barrel. I'll probably get an sl5i for it one day as I've seen one in use and was very impressed.
@Larskramer Here you go, settle in with a drink & disappear down the Suppressor Rabbit Hole
NZ Rod & Rifle Suppressor Test
https://d347awuzx0kdse.cloudfront.ne...b01d144f6995df
Some good info coming out. Highly appreciated. The weight, bulkyness doesn't bother me too much. It's not a bush carry gun, more of a shoot off the quad on the farm at fellow etc.
I have a A-Tec MegaHertz 2 on my new SAUM Barrel.
Hands down quietest suppressor among the ones on my other rifles or mates rifles which are a mixture of DPT / Hardy / and the Guncity ones.
Rifles are .223, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5TCU, 30/06, 300WSM, couple of 6.5 Creedmores, couple 7-08s, 30 Nosler and a 300NM.
They aren't cheap, nor slim and trim but they are quiet and the A-Lock mounting is great
Not a suppressor fan these days but had a stainless MAE on model 7 300saum a few years back, heavy brute of a thing but it really tamed the saum more so than any of the more popular/lightweight suppressors I have had on much milder calibre rifles
I have a hardy on my 7mmsaum, and a greystone 6k on the 6.5saum. I'm trying the greystone from the 6.5 saum on the 6.5 grendel tomorrow, so will see how that goes.
+1 for MAE, insanely quiet
MAE muzzle forward can, heavy though compared to the Alloy models
The Aimsports are pretty good too (think i heard they got new models coming @ sika show, but not sure)
Many manufacturers have brought out new models since that supressor test, i dont think its all that valid anymore.
Yes but you have a hunting mate now who doesnt deserve to be deafened unexpextidly or even expectidly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
I never used one until i got my "best mate" and now i wouldnt not use one.
As far as quietest best to look at db readings provided by teputible makers.
Not much gas in the Grendel I suspect your best results would be from a hardy or mae.
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Tough question and no real good answer as too many variables and models.
That R & R test is good but dated now. Some have issues around equipment used but it was the best available at the time.
Personally I use a Hardy, have a 6mm Stealth (Long one) which gets used on a 243 & 223, it is amazing, really good.
and I have Hardy gen 5 and gen 6 compact's on some lever guns in 243 & 358 so hard to compare. The gen 5 243 one is better than what my mates use on their 7m08 & 223 but neither is DPT or Gunworks etc.
Went Hardy Compact at the time due to the short front overhang.
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I have seen a couple of comments about this test when it is mentioned to bear in mind that it was done at Hardy Engineering ( e.g https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....t-hardy-42634/ ). I don't know what that means but it is something to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by bunji
I own a DPT and an Oceania Defence. I think if you are going Muzzle Forward and the cost/added barrel length doesn't put you off a Titanium Oceania Defence is a great option, even the QD version is super light (170 grams suppressor plus 74 grams brake) and allows you to easily run it on different threaded rifles like I do. It is a 30 cal suppressor but works with 6.5's really well too. I see you are not really too worried about light weight so unless you are planning to run it on another lightweight rifle the cost probably isn't worth it for you.
I have shot my 16" Marlin Dark 30-30 with my Oceania Defence can next to a much longer barrel PRS 308 rifle with a Hardy 5th Gen Stealth (which in the Rod and Rifle test which seems to come out on top if I am reading it right). The 308 was shooting mix of 150gr factory ammo and hand loaded 168gr from memory and the 3030 had 160gr FTX rounds, the 30-30 was noticeably quieter to me. I am not sure what the comparison of a 30-30 to 308 noise is supposed to be, the 308 has quite a bit more velocity so maybe that was why.
DPT to me is one of the best hunting rifle suppressors out there for those wanting a shorter suppressor with good suppression at an affordable price and light weight. You could always get one and keep adding baffles till you are happy with the suppression. The magnum versions are a great option as they are only 45 grams heavier than their standard suppressors, come no further forward and can be used on a magnum rifle as well which is pretty versatile.
My friend has a A-Tec on a 16" 308 like the suppressor @mikee uses. They are really impressive too he runs it with a couple of baffles out in the bush then adds them when out of the thick stuff. Very good suppression.
I have found that pretty much all of the suppressors from different manufacturers of similar internal volume tend to be so similar that to my ears, they cannot be distinguished. You don't find a lot of monocore centrefire suppressors, and all the commercial brands tend to be K baffle stacks of some persuasion.
I put a silicone weka suppressor cover on my SSRNZ suppressor, and that seemed to make a difference with noise in the bush - i.e. metal rubbing on foliage, rather than the blast from burnt powder.
You are hunting from a quad, so don't need to make the volume vs weight tradeoffs that alpine hunters tend to consider.
Personally I'd get something with the largest muzzle forward volume, with the smallest baffle hole that will work for a 6.5mm round. Every manufacturer seems to have something to tick this box.
A larger volume blast chamber for example a magnum suppressor should make a noticeable difference in sound suppression.
With my 308 I’ve got a standard muzzle forward 5 baffle DPT and has now got 2 extra baffles making it quieter and hardly any flash out the end at night time/ evening which makes for faster follow up shots and/or multiple animals.
Its the baffle hole size that is has the big effect in my experience, some are very finely tuned like ( hardy) others are pretty generic and despite what's written on the can 6mm cans can take a 30 cal and still be slopy.Quote:
Originally Posted by quentin
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Got a magnum DPT on our 75 243. It is bloody quiet as in quieter than the 223 with extra baffles and extra stainless baffles. Putting a magnum on our WSSM in November when we pass thru Te Rapa. Also the balance with the magnum is superb. Pays to shut your mouth and listen to advice. Quality kit.
Have a new Stealth magnum, very impressed with the design, stainless insert in every baffle. Will run it on the 7mm mag and report back.
The one issue I have with that R&R review of sorts.
Is that they used one of the brands (in the review)own acoustic measuring devices and didn't get a independent one.
Therefore there is no zero independent to judge against for a fair comparison.
MAE is sadly out of business thanks directly to our dear leader which is a real shame as they made some good gear which passed the tests to be sold on the euro/UK market.
The general rule of thumb is the more volume, the denser the material it's made out of the quieter it is.
DPT are a great workhorse of a fair number of people however if you want the quietest and lightest.
Oceania defense. 3d printed titanium suppressors. Plus they have a unique ratchet lock system which is super cool and very practical.
Hope this helps
I have a gunworks but haven't used any other brands, so can't form an opinion.
dpt and add extra baffles.....its your coin to spend but that option makes most sence to me...you start basic and keep adding till your happy...if ever go to resell, the extra baffles can be flicked off seperately easy enough.... same if decide to take rifle for walk...and dont want all them on the end...take off however many tickles your fancy and go walkies,knowing beforehand any change in impact change will make.
Quietest so far u have used is a greystone 6k. But it's it's big supressor. On the same rifle I have used a greystone 3k, hardy stealth, and a dpt of some sort. The greystone is by far the quietest. The others left a crack sound, the greystone was far more thuddy.
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Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
Just picked up a Gabe ziglianis suppressor for 100. Hopefully it works well ;)
Effective but not light by rep.
Def not light... but a few more curls with some weights and who cares lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 6x47
When we first bought the original Tok cans off Darren when he was in Tok he advised about chopping the barrel as well to get that perfect balance and not not losing too much velocity. How so true. My mate with his X Bolt never followed that advice and it is awkward to shoot as being untrimmed. None the less he still kills lotsa deer but remarks from time to time about the balance not being right.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6x47
My first suppressor on my .270 was made by Gabe. Very quiet but was heavy at 650grams due to stainless baffles. Was l long time ago. Does he still make them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Larskramer
Hardy, don't stand by there work. Seen a few blow up and no warranty. Just saying.