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Looking to trade up my 22lr to something more precision based. Have been looking at the offerings from ruger, cz, savage, bergara b14r and howa m1100. Shoot a savage as my long range/ hunting rifle and had liked the idea of same trigger on 22lr as a practice rifle. What other rifles would you consider or rule out? Cheers
a tikka t1x would probably be my top choice, relatively cheap so plenty of money for chassis/scope
I have a ruger american in .22 mag and it's accurate as.
Depends upon your budget but you've already mentioned one leading option, the Bergara B14R. Add to that the Lithgow LA101 and if your really flush the Vudoo V22.
The bergara is at about the top end of the budget and wouldn't leave too much for accessories. Has anyone on here had much to do with the higher end savage rimfires or the howa m1100
Only trouble with Savage is that they produce so many, quality control can be a bit "hit and miss"!
Having said that, I've see a couple of very accurate BV's and the BRJ is a functional and nice looking gun.
I've done builds on two E receiver actions. Both function perfectly. One is a light weight sporter and is a good "carry" rifle. The other is a heavy barrel in a chassis - Really accurate rifle. I've had zero issues with either of these but you don't have to look far to find owners who have had assorted problems with Mark II's. Don't ask me about semi autos as I know nothing about them!
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My Ruger American "Target" shoots very nicely, 5 consecutive groups average 0.542 @ 50 isn't to bad for any 22 that costs under $1000 new. I think you have to try them, when I bought the RART recently I also tried a Tikka T1x and a CZ457, to me the Ruger had the best action "feel" and the stock was the nicest.
Amen :thumbsup: Took me close to 10 years to find a lefty. Will be one of the last 2 rifles I ever sell...Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
Best thing is to go and play with a few
Most good quality 22’s will be accurate some slightly better than others
But you can have the most accurate rifle known to man but if it doesn’t fit you and your not comfortable shooting it it’s pointless because you’re not going to do it justice
For a good 22 id look at something that holds an accuracy guarantee normally 1moa at 50
If they Guarantee the rifle to do that it often can to much better
Also 22’s don’t wear out like Center fire rifles
Theres wax or oil on every round depending on the brand and the barrel gets a build up which will stop it from Corroding and the barrel will last Literally 100’s of Thousands of rounds
The main thing that wears out 22’s is improper care its an absolute misnomer you don’t need to clean a 22. you do… just not as often once a year is generally plenty even for high use target rifles.. not cleaning your barrel occasionally will eventually lead to carbon build up in the barrel and a loss of accuracy
However cleaning a 22 barrel is a risky Business it’s easy to damage a barrel During cleaning
Anyway what im getting at is sometimes you are better off buying 2nd hand lightly used and save some money so you can spend more on an optic
The .22LR target rifles are the ultimate in accuracy, but they are expensive and heavy. Second hand ones are more reasonably priced.
Hehe, now you are talking about gold plated unicorn poop :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by small_caliber
Naa, mine is a 64 - 1416 - more of a hunting setup
Here's what Lones Wigger, one of the all time USA greats says about cleaning a smallbore rifle
By Lones Wigger
I feel very strongly about cleaning a smallbore rifle. I have, on several different occasions, had it proven to me that when a barrel fouls and started to lead, it will lose accuracy. After you have cleaned that barrel with a brush, solvent and patches, you can lie back down, shoot a couple of fouling rounds and immediately shoot the small groups you should be shooting.
How often should you clean your rifle?
I think you should clean the gun after you shoot a box of ammunition. It probably doesn't need to be cleaned any more often than that. Some barrels seem to take longer to lead than others, and you can get by for a longer time before you lose accuracy. I prefer not to take chances so I clean regularly.
The lesson was once again proven to me at a small match I shot in preparation for Camp Perry. When I started shooting unacceptable groups at 100 yards, I got up, cleaned the rifle, and returned to shoot two tight 10-X groups, about a third of the size of the groups I had been shooting. That's pretty convincing evidence that barrels need to be cleaned.
I have an acquantance shooting a Bleiker (Google it). That person cleans after every outing which is probabaly 100 or so rounds.
The big issues are people sawing away at the chamber with the rod thru lack of use of a good fitting guide, incorrect brushes, muzzle wear by poor technique.
I must admit that when I shot smallbore I never cleaned regularly because of the myth about taking zillions of rounds to regain accuracy.
And maybe a touch of laziness thrown it. I shot with a Walther and an elderly Anschutz.
I went through similar not so long ago, I ended up with a browning t bolt
Lithgow la101 all day every day. Groups like a small ore target rifleQuote:
Originally Posted by CamB
I might be wrong here but don’t forget stock and friend shape in relation to how you determine accuracy. If you want to shoot tiny weeny groups over a BR on bags then some stocks are better than others.
I have a 1710 Silhouette that can shoot a very small group. But shooting 5 or 10 the same is more difficult with it than my m78 that has a square friend. Same with model 2’s.
A purpose designed stock or chassis system should be better for precision shooting?
I’m going to grab a Lithgow for Christmas and test my theory.
In my quest for a precision 22 I tried a 17 series Anschutz. Beautiful rifle and the price was good (second hand) but stock was asbismal for my intended style of shooting for it - mostly bench. The schnabel forend was useless in any of my front bags. The hogs back was also hopeless plus the underside of the rear stock never tracked on my rear bag. I returned it to its owner. If I had bought it it would have just resided in my safe as a pretty safe queen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicko
My Lithgow shoots groups just as good as the Anschutz.
Zimmer....I'm having exactly the same issue with my Weihrauch HW60J. The 3 groove Benchmark just reeks potential but I can't control it consistently in any sort of rest. A mob called FORM in the UK do a decent laminated stock with a Weihrauch inlet which I think would work well for me. I've been trying to get my hands on one for some time with no joy!Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
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@CamB my browning tbolt is accurate as F.
It keeps up with the Vudu 22 at the last match and is nearly as fast to shoot as the semis.
The old man was running a Ruger American and it was plenty accurate.
Ideally you want a rail instead or bases instead of a dove to, but you can get FX No Limit rings for dovetail in 1” 30mm and 34mm. They tilt forward so you can get lots of cant out of them.
That with a decent FFP scope, good Ammo that your rifle prefers and 2x 10 shot mags is all you need