Reducing recoil - muzzle brake or can?

I'm starting to not like shooting my .270. She's bitten me a few times, and don't get me wrong - I'm not a sook and I've done a fair bit of shooting, but now I've developed a nasty flinch. It's a fairly light Rem 700 and I will eventually get a laminated stock for it. As it is my main mountain rifle - (red, fallow, chamios, thar) and I don't tend to shoot a whole lot on a trip, noise isn't an issue.
I intend to get a 223 or 243 with a can for wallabies and other small game plus the occasional venison - the fun gun and great to get the young fella going on.

What I'd like your opinion on, is which will reduce the recoil the most for the .270 - a muzzle brake or a sound moderator? And which gunsmith / manufacturer you'd recommend. Cheers

Brake will reduce it most but with added noise so hearing protection essential (really an unsupressed rifle without a brake is probanly a hearing protection essential tool amyway). I have suppressors on my rifles and find them easy to shoot with the added muzzle weight keeping things a bit calmer

Pm KiwiGreg, get a muzzle break, Be lighter for your mountain rifle and since noise isn't a issue I personally think its the better way to go.

A muzzle brake will get rid of the recoil but not the flinch> The louder noise from it may actually make it worse.

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Originally Posted by Barefoot

A muzzle brake will get rid of the recoil but not the flinch> The louder noise from it may actually make it worse.

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With a 270 & a T2 Terminator the recoil is minimal at best, like 22-250 ish if that.

The noise isn't an issue because you have to wear hearing protection with all braked rifles, and should with all rifles firing muliple shots.

The muzzle blast from the T2 is directed around the shooter so isnt as much as an issue compared to other brake designs.

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Originally Posted by Herne

I'm starting to not like shooting my .270. She's bitten me a few times, and don't get me wrong - I'm not a sook and I've done a fair bit of shooting, but now I've developed a nasty flinch. It's a fairly light Rem 700 and I will eventually get a laminated stock for it. As it is my main mountain rifle - (red, fallow, chamios, thar) and I don't tend to shoot a whole lot on a trip, noise isn't an issue.
I intend to get a 223 or 243 with a can for wallabies and other small game plus the occasional venison - the fun gun and great to get the young fella going on.

What I'd like your opinion on, is which will reduce the recoil the most for the .270 - a muzzle brake or a sound moderator? And which gunsmith / manufacturer you'd recommend. Cheers

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I went from a .270 to 7 mm STW and I still think the .270 kicked harder but barked less. Neither were canned or braked. I had developed a flinch with the .270 and cured myself with total blocking of sound...plugs, tape, muffs and a piece of foam ground sheet tucked into my jacket at the shoulder when sighting in...I had someone else load and pass me my rifle, so I never knew if there was a round up the spout or not...soon sorted the bull shit flinch out...I can tell you that nothing looks more stupid than jerking two inches off target with no round up the spout.

Spooks idea to try to train yourself out of flinching works. Seen it do so Suppress it you won't regret it it How do you bush hunt then stop and plug your ears when you are stalking ? . My 270 had a brake and yes recoil all good but deafening and left heads ringing first time I fired it so that's on the shelf. Suppress it then you walk see something lift the gun and fire and the supresser will certainly reduce recoil as well And the animal will have no idea where you are so if required you ll possibly get a second chance and won't scare everything 3 km away . Target shooting muzzle brake ear muffs no problem at all That's my take on it others may disagree

Its a mountain rifle he said so should have time to plug ya ears up before shooting.

Hey Happy i did say "when sighting in"...maybe a bit far down the page. I use no ear protection when hunting as with the adrenilin rush when popping one off, I never hear it.

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Originally Posted by Spook

with the adrenilin rush when popping one off, I never hear it.

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Your hearing organs will still be taking the physical beating even if your brain does not register the sound due to some other influence.

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Originally Posted by Spook

Hey Happy i did say "when sighting in"...maybe a bit far down the page. I use no ear protection when hunting as with the adrenilin rush when popping one off, I never hear it.

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Yes I was agreeing totally with you on that As far as unsuppressed
shooting goes three four times a year maybe but don't forget we shoot rabbits and magpies with our 308s a bit plus go through a lot of ammo it's gotta add up sooner or later to ruin your hearing Actually rock concerts got most of mine earlier. Bets it's a cracker day up the hill today Dave !!

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Originally Posted by Toby

Its a mountain rifle he said so should have time to plug ya ears up before shooting.

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Roger that and he ll thank you for that one day when he loses the best animal of his life whilst doing so .. Ha ha

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Originally Posted by Happy

Yes I was agreeing totally with you on that As far as unsuppressed
shooting goes three four times a year maybe but don't forget we shoot rabbits and magpies with our 308s a bit plus go through a lot of ammo it's gotta add up sooner or later to ruin your hearing Actually rock concerts got most of mine earlier. Bets it's a cracker day up the hill today Dave !!

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Absolutely cracker day up here on the mountain...had some bastard trying to entice me down for work...even offered money. He seems to have no understanding what it is like up here...wife's away, grandkid is away...bliss

shit things can get complicated on here fast!!! just get a can mate mint. i canned my .270 and its mint. muzzle break a bit loud id reserve those for larger calibers but thats just me.

pros and cons with both , the cheap way to decide whats good for u is to borrow 2 rifles one with each and use them how and where u shoot , expensive way is to pic one hav it fitted then decide on other then realize first one was more suited to u . i prefer cans for what i do like happy said we shoot anything from rabbits up and shoot alot but nt a lot of target shooting so dont hav heat problems , weights nt a problem with new lightweight materials (im regularly told by sme one my day pack is 2 ton over weight followed by some short /fat jokes)

If you hunt with anyone else get the can. The brakes are just way to load for others to be around if your laying into it.

you will need hearing protection with a muzzle break, no ifs or buts, if you fire a shot, especially at altitude, be prepared to have some permanent hearing loss,
cheers

I think I'm immune to developing a flinch after spending a few days at the range shooting subs from a suppressed 22lr. The next bay had someone sending .338 Lapua or something down range with a brake one it, the side blast from that thing was crazy. I prefer the suppressors as they are more socially acceptable and have them on my rifles.

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Originally Posted by raydafish

you will need hearing protection with a muzzle break, no ifs or buts, if you fire a shot, especially at altitude, be prepared to have some permanent hearing loss,
cheers

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Have not much altitude exp So slightly off topic what's it like trying to use ear plugs up there ? Not for me all my guns are suppressed except shotty and if you could I would suppress that as well Mind you Beretta Extremas have no recoil. (wait for the bites now )

I guess it really depends where he is hunting then.

Send me a pm when you want a 243!

Get a better recoil pad

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Originally Posted by gimp

Get a better recoil pad

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Thats what I was going to say:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Happy

Have not much altitude exp So slightly off topic what's it like trying to use ear plugs up there ? Not for me all my guns are suppressed except shotty and if you could I would suppress that as well Mind you Beretta Extremas have no recoil. (wait for the bites now )

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I have built a suppressor for a 12gauge, pretty big and ugly though.

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Originally Posted by Toby

I guess it really depends where he is hunting then.

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agree with that , add how he hunts and the big one personal preference,the result is all that matters!

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Originally Posted by Herne

I'm starting to not like shooting my .270. She's bitten me a few times, and don't get me wrong - I'm not a sook and I've done a fair bit of shooting, but now I've developed a nasty flinch. It's a fairly light Rem 700 and I will eventually get a laminated stock for it. As it is my main mountain rifle - (red, fallow, chamios, thar) and I don't tend to shoot a whole lot on a trip, noise isn't an issue.
I intend to get a 223 or 243 with a can for wallabies and other small game plus the occasional venison - the fun gun and great to get the young fella going on.

What I'd like your opinion on, is which will reduce the recoil the most for the .270 - a muzzle brake or a sound moderator? And which gunsmith / manufacturer you'd recommend. Cheers

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muzzle brake will reduce the most recoil of the two but will blow your ears with out muffs. the can a little bit less recoil but much the same noise. save your self a shit load of cash and hasle and get your local hunting shop to fit a limb saver. way cheaper then fitting a brake or can and will reduce the recoil felt shit loads.

How heavy are the limbsaver's?? they seem heavy to me when ive held them? found they are .75lbs

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Originally Posted by Neckshot

How heavy are the limbsaver's?? they seem heavy to me when ive held them? found they are .75lbs

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they weigh fuck all just put a grind to fit one on my 264 win mag should be testing that out in the weekend, my oldman fitted one to his 444 marlin took shitloads of kick out of it. a limbsaver would be my first pick before fitting all that other stuff. $80 well spent

How do the grind to fit ones work?

a boom is directional a crack is not, whats happend on possibly 1/2 canned shots ive had the deer ethier run straight for u ( echo of the hills behind them) or round in circles so if u wana shot 2 deer or maybe shoot same one twice can it! great for recoil on 223 head shots on mynas as well aye HAPPY!( hope this makes sense been big day at least its nt an i )

easy solution to recoil...........look at the target and imagine dropping it dead while your pulling the trigger.another could be as simple as lighting up your trigger.I can only add my two cents on my experiances and im assuming he's already gotten all the helpfull info he need's.i could have a flinch but havnt been told i have.....all i do is watch the shot before it gets there so im not thinking about a flinch im thinking about the marksmanship principles .i shoot with a 243 but it was the same with my 270 which had a short barrel and was quite light and lurched and kicked like a heifer!.but i only worried about that stuff after the round was in the target for me its a mindset ive shot a mates edge and its still the same the recoil never hurts for long IMO and its my own experiance's its not gospel for the expurts!!!!!

pretty easy there Toby if the fitment holes dont align plug old hole redrill pilot holes to fit limbsaver patern. screw on stock mark shape of your stock onto the over hanging limbsaver stock remove stock then grind the limbsaver to shape. qoute the measurement of your stock as you can only grind the limbsaver so far.

Oh yeah cool. The one on the 300WSM is alot better then the one on mates Tikka, that thing is shit.

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Originally Posted by Neckshot

easy solution to recoil...........look at the target and imagine dropping it dead while your pulling the trigger.another could be as simple as lighting up your trigger.I can only add my two cents on my experiances and im assuming he's already gotten all the helpfull info he need's.i could have a flinch but havnt been told i have.....all i do is watch the shot before it gets there so im not thinking about a flinch im thinking about the marksmanship principles .i shoot with a 243 but it was the same with my 270 which had a short barrel and was quite light and lurched and kicked like a heifer!.but i only worried about that stuff after the round was in the target for me its a mindset ive shot a mates edge and its still the same the recoil never hurts for long IMO and its my own experiance's its not gospel for the expurts!!!!!

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perfectly worded imagine its dead and it will be, i never could word it like that but im sure thats what i do as well , if your thinkn u will flinch then u will and if your thinkn its dead it will be

Buy a unbraked Ultramag and shoot it.. the 270 will be like a popgun afterwards :D

after 12 months of tinkering i got to fire my 264 win mag with the limbsaver recoil pad holy fuck it like shooting a .22 my 243 has more boot. i going to fit a limsaver to all my rifles

i can add anything to this topic, because i dont have a can, or a break on anything. but i do have a 243 which has little recoil, and shoots bang on every time. maybe just use the 243 just get in closer if you are able.

Nah suppress all your guns from .17 to 300 win mag and then shoot everything in the neck or eyeball they tend to drop pretty quick then !! There really is no alternative if you wish to spend time out there doin it and pullin the trigger !! Plus 100 % meat recovery

suppressors are awesome, if you can, do suppress it

muzzle breaks are awesome at reducing recoil. they make things very loud. I wont go that way again and plan to take mine off my 7RM

you will be surprised how much a limbsaver will do, they are great and at $75 are the cheepest of all the options, and you can fit the correct shaped ones yourself with just a screwdriver. do this first then see if you need to take another step. for a 270 you probably wont.

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Originally Posted by Bill999

suppressors are awesome, if you can, do suppress it

muzzle breaks are awesome at reducing recoil. they make things very loud. I wont go that way again and plan to take mine off my 7RM

you will be surprised how much a limbsaver will do, they are great and at $75 are the cheepest of all the options, and you can fit the correct shaped ones yourself with just a screwdriver. do this first then see if you need to take another step. for a 270 you probably wont.

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i cant rave enough about my limbsaver they reduce something like 80% of felt recoil. happy to let anyone try my magnum and see for themselves