Thread: Redundant Calibres

.308 is basically redundant now we have 6.5crd...

Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish

.308 is basically redundant now we have 6.5crd...

Tell me your joking???

Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish

.308 is basically redundant now we have 6.5crd...

my best quess is that never ever will 6.5 crd replace .308

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

my best quess is that never ever will 6.5 crd replace .308

I had 2x308 rifles a Forbes 308 which is an Ultralite rifle just over 5 LBs 21" barrel till I put a Schmidt&Bender 2.5-10x56 scope on it and is a great lowlight bush gun as well as a Tikka 308 until I spotted a 6.5 Creedmore barrel on TradeMe that was new but had been taken off a Tikka and replaced with a carbon-fiber barrel at a good price so I swapped those 2 and now have a spear 18" 308 barrel for my Tikka.
the only reason I did this was quite a few of my shooting mates swapped to 6.5 and were giving me shit about 308, THERE IS nothing wrong with 308 it has the best range of projectiles on the market {I reload} or ammo that EVERY sports shop in NZ will have on their shelves, not like a lot of other calibers which can be a blessing if you run out. I run 178gr Amax projectiles&2208 powder in my Forbes and mainly use it for harder-to-get-around hunting places{bush} bugger all gets up and runs away with that recipe and if they do they don,t go very far at all The 6.5 is a very useful caliber the Swedes have been using it for over 100 years for a very good reason it kills things and is very slippery in windy conditions and shoots a bit flatter than the 308 but not much I think the 308 with the right projectile/powder combination will kill a lot further out then say a 6.5 creed which, in my opinion, is only ethical out to 500m same with the 260 I would say the 6.5prc type cartridge would kill further out but I do not know I am now stepping outside my realm so best I shut up, all I know is I now have a 308 and a 6.5 Creed so I can now sit on the broody fence and not be called a wanker for owning one or the other because I own both
P.S.: now you will provably call me a double wanker.

Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish

.308 is basically redundant now we have 6.5crd...

Show me the wharehouses overflowing with mil surplus 6.5 crudmore....

And the 40 plus different projectile styles available...

Originally Posted by XR500

Show me the wharehouses overflowing with mil surplus 6.5 crudmore....

And the 40 plus different projectile styles available...

me old Forest Service Field Officer would have had a name for the 6.5 Crudmore - a squaw gun - long live the mighty .270

Oh, forgot to add - I think shopping for a gun and cartridge today is a bit like shopping for a handbag ............. and the manufacturers know it.
Weatherby certainly knew it back in the day ......... they were one of the first to add 'bling' to a gun in the modern era - the one prior to that was the early 1800's when the American long rifle went through its 'golden age'.

The 6.5mm Creedmore is a example - it does nothing more than a whole bunch of 6.5's in front of it - yet it's taken off like a rabbit with a weasel down its hole. I think we're all influenced by 'marketting hype' - we just gotta have the latest and greatest.

I remember Horse Cartright bought himself a pistol in the Ponderosa TV series that shot around corners .......... and I never heard if that started a trend ..... or not.

Originally Posted by SF90

Oh, forgot to add - I think shopping for a gun and cartridge today is a bit like shopping for a handbag ............. and the manufacturers know it.
Weatherby certainly knew it back in the day ......... they were one of the first to add 'bling' to a gun in the modern era - the one prior to that was the early 1800's when the American long rifle went through its 'golden age'.

The 6.5mm Creedmore is a example - it does nothing more than a whole bunch of 6.5's in front of it - yet it's taken off like a rabbit with a weasel down its hole. I think we're all influenced by 'marketting hype' - we just gotta have the latest and greatest.

I remember Horse Cartright bought himself a pistol in the Ponderosa TV series that shot around corners .......... and I never heard if that started a trend ..... or not.

Marketing is the key to success

An example the 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum never gained a huge following in the early 70s, the 17HMR (similar cartridge to the 5mm Remington)on the other
hand took off, due to the marketing, it could be said the internet & social media fuelled the hype… much like the crudmoors!

Originally Posted by SF90

Oh, forgot to add - I think shopping for a gun and cartridge today is a bit like shopping for a handbag ............. and the manufacturers know it.
Weatherby certainly knew it back in the day ......... they were one of the first to add 'bling' to a gun in the modern era - the one prior to that was the early 1800's when the American long rifle went through its 'golden age'.

The 6.5mm Creedmore is a example - it does nothing more than a whole bunch of 6.5's in front of it - yet it's taken off like a rabbit with a weasel down its hole. I think we're all influenced by 'marketting hype' - we just gotta have the latest and greatest.

I remember Horse Cartright bought himself a pistol in the Ponderosa TV series that shot around corners .......... and I never heard if that started a trend ..... or not.

Just want to say that the 6.5cm is a more inherantly accurate case. I dont own one but as a swede owner I've found I needed to go to the enth degree to beat them. So i don't think it's correct to say that the creedmoor is the same, it's not as it's more efficient. Produces similar pressures with less powder.

Originally Posted by T.FOYE

Just want to say that the 6.5cm is a more inherantly accurate case. I dont own one but as a swede owner I've found I needed to go to the enth degree to beat them. So i don't think it's correct to say that the creedmoor is the same, it's not as it's more efficient. Produces similar pressures with less powder.

That's fair comment - but I wonder how many who brought into it can actually shoot that well.

I did get interested in black powder target shooting for a bit, got the action and went down to talk about Badger barrels down the range when I got roped into spotting shot fall at the three hundred yard range, and even with binoculars couldn't see what those guys could with the naked eye.
That ended up 'stillborn' ... realised right then and there I could never be competitive.

I'm a hunter first and foremost and that's why I got a gun - and my hunting is close, thirty metres or less for the most part. And that's the way I like it - I've done the 'farm hunt' where shots were out around 400 yards and I never fired a shot - I wasn't set up for it.
Thought about it and decided it was all a bit foreign for me. I certainly found it fascinating, all those deer to pick and choose from - but I decided I liked it the way I'd been doing it and if my gun (me) could hit a saucer at fifty yards, then that's all i needed.
I have 'return to zero' rings on my two main guns now and often hunt with the scope in my pack as it's more comfortable to handle a bare gun - and I shoot a lot down the range with 'irons' - wouldn't have a gun without them - and I don't.

But were I interested in long range shooting - more 'inherantly accurate' certainly has merit and helps take an 'unknown' out of the equation

Originally Posted by T.FOYE

Just want to say that the 6.5cm is a more inherantly accurate case. I dont own one but as a swede owner I've found I needed to go to the enth degree to beat them. So i don't think it's correct to say that the creedmoor is the same, it's not as it's more efficient. Produces similar pressures with less powder.

Greetings,
The reason that the Creedmoor ( named for a rifle range on a moor owned by a Mr Creed in what is now New York. Well done to @T.FOYE for correct spelling) produces similar pressure with less powder than the 6.5x55 is due t0 the Creedmoor case being smaller. Loading problems stem from the contempt that some in the US have for things not invented there. Yes it is more difficult to load for due to this but given a decent quality rifle, decent cases such as Lapua and careful working around undersize dies from the US makers the 6.5 Swede is a very accurate cartridge. The Creedmoor gets over most of this by being a modern cartridge and no doubt the short actions help with accuracy but well loaded there is little between them in my opinion at least.
Regards Grandpamac.