Thread: Redundant Calibres

Originally Posted by SF90

Oh, forgot to add - I think shopping for a gun and cartridge today is a bit like shopping for a handbag ............. and the manufacturers know it.
Weatherby certainly knew it back in the day ......... they were one of the first to add 'bling' to a gun in the modern era - the one prior to that was the early 1800's when the American long rifle went through its 'golden age'.

The 6.5mm Creedmore is a example - it does nothing more than a whole bunch of 6.5's in front of it - yet it's taken off like a rabbit with a weasel down its hole. I think we're all influenced by 'marketting hype' - we just gotta have the latest and greatest.

I remember Horse Cartright bought himself a pistol in the Ponderosa TV series that shot around corners .......... and I never heard if that started a trend ..... or not.

Just want to say that the 6.5cm is a more inherantly accurate case. I dont own one but as a swede owner I've found I needed to go to the enth degree to beat them. So i don't think it's correct to say that the creedmoor is the same, it's not as it's more efficient. Produces similar pressures with less powder.

Originally Posted by T.FOYE

Just want to say that the 6.5cm is a more inherantly accurate case. I dont own one but as a swede owner I've found I needed to go to the enth degree to beat them. So i don't think it's correct to say that the creedmoor is the same, it's not as it's more efficient. Produces similar pressures with less powder.

That's fair comment - but I wonder how many who brought into it can actually shoot that well.

I did get interested in black powder target shooting for a bit, got the action and went down to talk about Badger barrels down the range when I got roped into spotting shot fall at the three hundred yard range, and even with binoculars couldn't see what those guys could with the naked eye.
That ended up 'stillborn' ... realised right then and there I could never be competitive.

I'm a hunter first and foremost and that's why I got a gun - and my hunting is close, thirty metres or less for the most part. And that's the way I like it - I've done the 'farm hunt' where shots were out around 400 yards and I never fired a shot - I wasn't set up for it.
Thought about it and decided it was all a bit foreign for me. I certainly found it fascinating, all those deer to pick and choose from - but I decided I liked it the way I'd been doing it and if my gun (me) could hit a saucer at fifty yards, then that's all i needed.
I have 'return to zero' rings on my two main guns now and often hunt with the scope in my pack as it's more comfortable to handle a bare gun - and I shoot a lot down the range with 'irons' - wouldn't have a gun without them - and I don't.

But were I interested in long range shooting - more 'inherantly accurate' certainly has merit and helps take an 'unknown' out of the equation

Originally Posted by T.FOYE

Just want to say that the 6.5cm is a more inherantly accurate case. I dont own one but as a swede owner I've found I needed to go to the enth degree to beat them. So i don't think it's correct to say that the creedmoor is the same, it's not as it's more efficient. Produces similar pressures with less powder.

Greetings,
The reason that the Creedmoor ( named for a rifle range on a moor owned by a Mr Creed in what is now New York. Well done to @T.FOYE for correct spelling) produces similar pressure with less powder than the 6.5x55 is due t0 the Creedmoor case being smaller. Loading problems stem from the contempt that some in the US have for things not invented there. Yes it is more difficult to load for due to this but given a decent quality rifle, decent cases such as Lapua and careful working around undersize dies from the US makers the 6.5 Swede is a very accurate cartridge. The Creedmoor gets over most of this by being a modern cartridge and no doubt the short actions help with accuracy but well loaded there is little between them in my opinion at least.
Regards Grandpamac.