Thread: Redundant Calibres

The whole rationale behind the 'Prohibited Ammunition' law seems to be their fear of someone shooting at the Police with ammo that will penetrate vests. The wording of the legislation about saboted ammo is a bit vague and seems to be able to cover all saboted rifle & pistol ammo. I suspect their fear there is the lack of evidential striations on recovered projectiles which would prevent forensic ballistic evidence being usable in a prosecution. All of the above tends to indicate they may be afraid of the public!

Originally Posted by gundoc

The whole rationale behind the 'Prohibited Ammunition' law seems to be their fear of someone shooting at the Police with ammo that will penetrate vests. The wording of the legislation about saboted ammo is a bit vague and seems to be able to cover all saboted rifle & pistol ammo. I suspect their fear there is the lack of evidential striations on recovered projectiles which would prevent forensic ballistic evidence being usable in a prosecution. All of the above tends to indicate they may be afraid of the public!

Still don't understand that rationale. The vest is only good if the person shooting at you is nice enough to shoot you in the vest, and even then anything you will likely find being used for deer in NZ will go straight through a standard Police-issue vest. I would be more concerned with the new fangled frangible lead-free hunting ammo designed to split into several chunks after penetrating a good amount. My understanding is that this type of ammo can end up without much in the way of useful stuff for the forensics as well. As far as sabots, shotgun slugs? Every test I've seen on those is fearsome levels of penetration...

Originally Posted by No.3

Still don't understand that rationale. The vest is only good if the person shooting at you is nice enough to shoot you in the vest, and even then anything you will likely find being used for deer in NZ will go straight through a standard Police-issue vest. I would be more concerned with the new fangled frangible lead-free hunting ammo designed to split into several chunks after penetrating a good amount. My understanding is that this type of ammo can end up without much in the way of useful stuff for the forensics as well. As far as sabots, shotgun slugs? Every test I've seen on those is fearsome levels of penetration...

There were accounts of the SV99 being used in Kosavo / Sarajevo with lethal effect against body armour and when it states 5.56 for calibre note that below it is 5.56LR (22LR) . Accuracy meant shot placement at the urban distances was able to 'bypass' body armour - Also worth noting the Russian military 22L ammo has a velocity approaching our 22WMR energy.And they wont sell it even if they were allowed to....
https://en.kalashnikovgroup.ru/catal...vintovka-sv-99

Originally Posted by timattalon

There were accounts of the SV99 being used in Kosavo / Sarajevo with lethal effect against body armour and when it states 5.56 for calibre note that below it is 5.56LR (22LR) . Accuracy meant shot placement at the urban distances was able to 'bypass' body armour - Also worth noting the Russian military 22L ammo has a velocity approaching our 22WMR energy.And they wont sell it even if they were allowed to....
https://en.kalashnikovgroup.ru/catal...vintovka-sv-99

"Bypass body armour" is a euphanism for anywhere in the head...