Hey,
Can you mod a rem 700 bolt to have a halfcock like a Tika T3?
Cheers
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Hey,
Can you mod a rem 700 bolt to have a halfcock like a Tika T3?
Cheers
Yes, a gun smith will be able to do that for you.
Thanks mate, couldn't find any info on except the Tika, so I thought maybe not.
Cheers
Yeah they cut a notch or somesuch into it. I've had a couple of mates get it done.
Sweet good to know, thanks. My mates got it done yo his T3 and I like the idea of it, just wasn't sure on my action as the bolt is quite different.
Cheers, will do.
It's got a perfectly good safety.
I’ve been told yes as it is being done on my rifle being worked on atm.
Where are you getting yours done if you don't mind me asking @stagstalker?
Just another layer of safe while stalking. It's pretty easy to disengage the safety on my Christensen Arms Messa. I really enjoyed stalking with my mates half open/cock set upQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnDuxbury
@Shot Bro True Flite
I would hope every safety made these days works perfectly good lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDuxbury
Cheers bro!Quote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
Aye! Its "Shot Bro!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Shot Bro
Haha, I hope most of mine are a "shot bro" missed my last and they say you're only as good as your last lol
Yeah, I run the safety these days after 20 years or more of halfcock.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDuxbury
The Lee Enfield legacy lives on and refuses to die.
I dont think you'll be able to do a half cock on a remington action the same way its being done on tikkas.
On a tikka you've got a pin that will move upward (from within the trigger mechanism)upon activation - to do a half cock safety upgrade an additional hole is machined into the bolt body. A remington trigger&safety works in a totally different way.
Would be interesting to see if someone's managed to do something like this on a remington.
Yep, same here. I did use half-open bolt with a few bolt actions in the past. Since owned rifles in lever, pump, semi and straight-pull, all designed to be used with action closed and safety catch engaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dama dama
For consistency I always use the safety now.
QUOTE=Jaco Goosen;1293230]I dont think you'll be able to do a half cock on a remington action the same way its being done on tikkas.
On a tikka you've got a pin that will move upward (from within the trigger mechanism)upon activation - to do a half cock safety upgrade an additional hole is machined into the bolt body. A remington trigger&safety works in a totally different way.
Would be interesting to see if someone's managed to do something like this on a remington.[/QUOTE
Yeah I was originally thinking that hense my OP, but hope it can. Be good to hear how yours turned out @stagstalker
That’s Greg’s half cock I had mine done at gun works years ago no hole in bolt and much better didn’t activate with the safety it activated at “half cocked” must have being a notch that the pin feel into underneath shoud never actually pulled it off and lookedQuote:
Originally Posted by Jaco Goosen
I'm also interested in what sort of half cock you can do on a rem model 7.
I have both types of half cocks on the tikkas.
The 'safety hole' style and a 'half cock detent' style.
I drilled the bolt on my tikka .223 myself which worked well. Got sick of picking the rifle up when hunting after not shooting, lifting the bolt, move rifle, the bolt would fall open and eject the round.
Definitely prefer the 'safety hole' half cock style while bush hunting. The bolt is locked in a neutral position.
Yep that safety hole, where the bolt is locked in a natural position is what I'm hoping to achieve. But it will be a different mod on the 700 bolt, with hopefully similar function.
Double post
A positive half-bolt position on the M700 is easy to achieve simply by grinding about .020" (0.5mm) off the front face of the sear engagement face of the striker lug (NOT the camming face of the striker), making sure to maintain the same angle and polish the surface when ground. This position does not utilise the safety catch but is the accepted method of carry when close to game.
It's safer to keep the rifle at home in the safe than to fuck around with the bolt...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shot Bro
Well yeah that’s pretty much safer than any type of firearms use lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by caberslash
Just remember, putting in a half bolt slot, or disengaging the safety in any modern style bolt action means you can kiss goodbye to any warrantee or guarantee for the rifle.
In fact teaching people to use a half bolt position in some designs, ie Savage 10/110 series of rifle is f**king dangerous, as the gun will still fire as the handle drops down.
Its a New Zealand thing it seems. Old granddad did it on his Lee Enfield, so I'll do it on my modern Tikka/Remington. :wtfsmilie:
Arguing over the use of half cock has been done to death. This thread is about a specific action type and whether it can safely be done to it. Let’s leave it at that aye.
Greetings @dogmatix and all,Quote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
I had not seen half cock on bolt action rifles mentioned fo a bit and hoped it had died a natural death. Back in the .303 days the Lee Enfield had both a half cock notch and a safety catch. Neither was very good and the rifle could fife from either position with a sharp blow to the cocking peice such as in a fall. Having the firing pin down on a loaded chamber was even worse. Due to this the Mountain Safety Council teaching was to use a half open bolt (position of semi readyness) when close to game. This is where the cartridge is held by the extractor and the action part open. The firing pin main spring was uncompressed and it took two separate motions to be ready to fire, forward to compress the main spring and down to lock the action ready to fire. It was a safe although somewhat clumsy solution.
Time passed and some hunters started using Mauser rifles and even commercial hunting rifles. The distrust of safety catches hammered home by the MSC persisted and some started to carry their rifles in what they incorrectly called half cock. In this postion the bolt was fully forward and the mainspring compressed needing only the bolt to be lowered to fire. Some rifles, particularly Sako's, were reasonably stable in this position but this was never designed as a safe way to carry a rifle and it was not. In a stumble the bolt could easily be lowered without the hunter being aware of it. Butchering the rifle to improve things does not help mutch. The Mountain Safety Council dithered and failed to address the problem but for me the only way to carry a rifle when sneaking up on deer is with a chambered round and a regularly tested safety catch applied.
Regards Grandpamac.
My method of carry when close to animals is the half-bolt with my right hand flat on the side of the action and the bolt handle between my finger and thumb. The positive detent just helps to keep it in position where it can be silently turned down to the fire position. At all other times the rifle is carried with the bolt closed on an empty chamber. As a gunsmith with a year or two under my belt I have seen many reasons why you should not rely 100% on any safety catch! Properly done and finished, the removal of .020" off the face of the striker sear lug would not even be noticeable to any but the trained eye (with measuring equipment) and would not compromise the safety of the firearm in any way. Half-cock is totally different, relying on under-cut notches (bents) in the striker or hammer (depending on design) to prevent the trigger being pulled. That system is prone to failure (especially in older, worn firearms) and is inherently dangerous. Trying to lower a Lee-Enfield striker to half-cock (especially with cold or wet fingers) is fraught with danger!
I agree with the above. Can I ad that the biggest issue with this whole matter is that so many people dont actually know how to chamber a round silently and dont practice it. So instead of sneaking in on an animal with an empty chamber and then silently chambering the round and making the last approach approach with the bolt 'half open' and under control, they approach the whole way to the shot with a cocked loaded rifle and the safety on. Gives me the shitsQuote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
This is exactly how I approach things and will continue to do so, however I thought the halfcock was an extra layer of safe (when close to game) having cold wet hands. I'd never rely on this entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
Yes please, I couldn't find it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
Don't know how old this thread is but regarding the half cock on a Remington 700, as long as the position is positive there is no problem with it.
Mine doesn't have a safety at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDuxbury
It's still cocked. There is nothing 'half' or 'safe' about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by redbaron1958
If the trigger is pulled, the firing pin will still fall and you are relying on the weight of the bolt and handle to provide enough resistance required to retard the firing pin's forward motion. It will still strike the primer but maybe not hard enough to set it off...
Guess what happens when you perform bolt lightening mods like lightweight firing pin, fluting the bolt handle and body?
Greetings @caberslash,Quote:
Originally Posted by caberslash
This, together with the belief that you can divine pressure by gazing at primers are two fables that just will not die. The idea came from a safe way to carry a Lee Enfield while hunting ie the half or part open action. With a cock on closing action this works well enough needing two movements against spring pressure. For a cock on opening it is not safe as you have deduced. Fortunately the word is finally getting through but it is slow progress with the diehards.
Regards Grandpamac.