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Gunmaker Remington faces default as Americans buy fewer firearms
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if they go bust will that make my 700 a collectors item lol
It will
along with 7 and a half million other ones.:)
Sako are very lucky that they have Buzman.
A salient point Tahr
Sako's covered , though there shouldn't be a need , however I wonder if Remington had thought of this.
So they assumed Hilary would win and there would be panic buying after the election?
And manufactured to suit maybe?
I think the competition is getting stiffer and people are buying more Tikkas :D No one wants to purchase a rifle and then replace it's trigger straight away.
Remington X Mark Pro triggers suck, they always have , they are useless and every time you go to buy a Remington you should negotiate with the seller the 250$ price of the replacement
If they won't deal buy something else in front of them or go somewhere else.
maybe if they didnt cut costs on the production lines people might buy them.
My thoughts too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Konev
I think Remington could easily boost some m700 sales by doing a few upgrades that most custom action makers already do: 60 degrees bolt throw, get rid of the inadequate extractor and put a decent claw on, reduce the massive diameter of the receiver and offer it in calibres that are at the cutting edge of what people want. And give Timney or similar some royalties and copy their trigger. The basic design of that action hasn't really changed since its inception. Rifles need to move with the times these days and Remington have been sitting on their hands for too long in my opinion.
I quite like my rolling block.
Remingtons suck
I would take the article with a grain of salt.
The problem with Remington is that their budget rifles are too expensive. Their top line rifles are unexciting. Is it me or does the 700 platform seem old fashioned, like an old pop song that doesnt get played any more. Remington 700's used to be the quality economy rifle. Now they have been massively undercut by new products.They will have been hit hard by the success of the Tikka T3 for the last decade and now the Savage and Ruger American rifles. Following in the footsteps of the Tikka T3, there has been an arms race in who can manufacture the cheapest economy rifle for the masses, but its resulted in some new designs, and the 1960's model 700 just seems unfashionable.
But if anything it may be the AR15 type sales which are soft. That market is getting crowded and Remington are marketing them as the new sporting hunting rifle, which may not be a successful approach to young black rifle buyers, who can use a tactical rifle to hunt deer if they want while still having its' military charisma.
To be honest it's not the first time they've been in the hole financially. Ruger, Smith and Wesson and several other companies have seen a slump in sales, just happens that Remington sales at times are as much as several other manufacturers. I will totally agree with some of the comments, Remingtons offerings have been less than imaginative over the past twenty years.
Maybe the yanks need to learn to make a good quality rifle not one that need you need to throw half of it away and add aftermarket upgrades.
The Rem 700 now seems to be the 10/22 of the centrefire world.
well just shot my rem 700 long range in 7mm wont extract without a bit of force. groups well but what the point if you cant reload in a hurry
Is it Remington’s fault or do you have it loaded to hot?Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
Not the first I think, and not the last, 1 year into Trump's first term and they are going toes up already. It seems the gun and ammo manufacturers can only make a profit if there is excess "panic" demand created by fear that a Democratic Govn will take away their toys. Once a Republican is elected sales collapse. Might be good for us in getting cheaper guns though I'd never buy a Remington for me they sum up the worst of American mass manufacturing.
Remington's problem is not that Americans are buying less guns, but that Americans (and people elsewhere) are buying less Remington guns. Like others have pointed out, Remington has very few exciting products. I would go further. I would say Remington has very few great products.
I have been a shooter for about 10 years, I have at different points of time contemplated buying of many different guns, and I have bought a number of them. Not a single time was I interested in a Remington product. In contrast, Savage, Ruger (only 10/22 line), CZ, Tikka, and other mid-range makers often have guns/products that make me want to get. In fact I seem to read more bad-experience stories/reviews with Remington than most other brands.
One can say scope makers' success should be a good indicator of general health of firearm market. As far as I can see in the last 10 years most good scope makers are thriving - Vortex, Zeiss, Nightforce, March, Bushnell, Leupold etc. I cannot think of one mid-high end scope maker that got into financial trouble and was bought out by another brand. So if Remington is doing badly, it must be a Remington problem.
In the grand scheme of things, if Remington goes it may not necessarily be a bad thing. it teaches everyone else not to be complacent. Kodak died and photography are now better than ever.
I will always have a soft spot for Remington.
I grew up with them from 22s to centerfire.
The 700 action has to be the best of its time until the after market copys/clones improved on them.
I still have a Remmy shotgun that has had shit tons of ammo thru it and hasn't let me down.
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Out of all the firearms I've owned I genuinely think the Rem Model 7 is the quintessential bolt action hunting rifle, I'm surprised they aren't more popular.
I have had a Remington 700 fire when putting the safety off,from my experience it would make you have a rethink if looking at a purchasing another.
Maybe the bad press over the 700 trigger is affecting sales.
From what I have read the quality control issues with the new management and the new factory have effected sales quite a bit. A whisper about poor quality will affect the sales of people who have never even handled one, people are wary of the bad word.
The public view of the shake up there, the buying of Marlin and H&R, and laying off of experienced staff will have hurt them. It appears it was an attempt to make more money by making the rifles cheaper to manufacture, which is the opposite of adding value.
I know that I might have bought a Remington 700 at one stage, and I might have bought a Marlin, but the bad word on quality caused me to deliberately decide a couple of years ago that if I did decide to get one I would have to hunt down a second hand older one, and if I am thinking that perhaps a lot of people who would otherwise have bought a new Remington might think the same. They don't get a cent out of that.
Im not a gun nut or aficionado by any standards.
Also I have never owned a Remington.
I have handled and shot a fair few Remington's over the years and never once has a stock standard one impressed me.
Yep plenty of cheap hop up parts are available just like rugers 10/22
I probably never will own a Remington but I "may" just maybe own a Remington clone action.
Take from that what you will.
Well that is what a Barnard S is for one.....Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
I have to agree, no one wants a Remington, I struggle to get people to hold one, but I have the same problem with Tikkas, give someone a X Bolt to hold after a Tikka, and there's no competition, biggest sellers up here are Howa, solely on price, followed by browning x bolt.
The Remington 700 should be a flag ship gun. It just isn't. The fit and finish is shit tier. The triggers are awful. Most of them come with a trash plastic stock, with a non free float barrel. And they cost in the same ball park as a Bergara B14, which is basically the same gun with none of the mentioned deficiancies.
The pistols they have tried to launch recently were total abortions.
The investment group that own them, gutted and destroyed the reputation of Marlin and Advanced Armament.
They own two has-been AR manufacturers, DPMS and Bushmaster, trying to peddle average at best rifles under a GOP govt.
They could of dominated the short action precision rifle market with the .260, but they sat on their hands and let Hornady take that crown.
Is the versamax the only thing they have done well for the past decade or so??
It would be sad but almost merciful to see Remington dissapear at this stage.
Remington were the go to standard for an accurate rifle back in the 90's. There are probably more aftermarket parts for Remingtons for a reason. They had a lot of innovative models; Sendero, Alaskan Wilderness Rifle; Mountain Rifle; Titanium; Model 7 to name a few.
They were the benchmark for accuracy, like a T3 is now.
Pity they tried to race the others to the cheapest rifle.
I dont recall Remington ever being the go to standard for an accurate rifle but I am only a paltry 41y old so maybe the older ones than that were market leaders in accuracy off of the shelf?Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
AB Bofors are still going strong. (well its kinda called SAAB group now) Maybe Remington should try making anti aircraft guns.
Ive got a REM 700 308. I like it, before the aftermarket stock on it and after. I dont care much for new looks and new bits here and there. As long as it loads fine, hits what you want to hit and feels ok thats good enough for me. Always wanted a sako, one day i will but happy ive got at least one REM in the gun cabinet
factory ammo. hornady 162 grQuote:
Originally Posted by Echo
I had one, swapped it for another Remington :DQuote:
Originally Posted by deer243
That guys still laughing [emoji16]Quote:
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He wont be if he carries it anywhere ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
you pretty much just described a Forbes....Quote:
Originally Posted by FRST
NZ importer currently not bringing them here in any great numbers. Like the Remington they are massively overbuilt for most of their chamberings. But in saying that, they feed nicer than any Remington I've owned, and the "All Weather" version is my current hunting rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mauser308
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Norincos are still the cheapest in Expensive Zealand and they work ok. People generally want a bit more from their $1000+ centerfire hunting rifle. Despite some failings in the Sako/Tikka range they seem to get it right more often than Remington. I had a 700 back in the 1990s and thought it was ok, what surprised me was the amount of work that had been done to it to make it OK (trigger, free floating, bolt work ect) I then sold it to change caliber and purchased a savage. Now the Savage is ugly no fashion there but shot like a charm out of the box, no work needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mauser308
Anti Americanisms aside (or are some of you Hillary supporters?) Americans can make some dam good rifles like the x-bolt but it seems that Remington have too many problems with their basic models.
https://xmprecall.remington.com/
