I think you'll find the Japanese actually make the Browning X-Bolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
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I think you'll find the Japanese actually make the Browning X-Bolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
Ah that's interesting savages are definitely USQuote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
Yeah, I like Savages. There are a few out in the safe. Very impressed with TimeRider's Browning A-Bolt too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
Surprised at some of the negativity towards Remington(s).......have owned several,never had any issues.Just purchased a new Remington versa-max,semi auto,camo,shotgun......$1000,(USA),a Black Friday special with a $200 rebate.....beautiful action,light and no issues......the 870,s I have,have been beat to shit,still shoot fine......but there you go,each to his own
I have 2 savage HMR 17,s.....the bolt action,and the semi auto......love the rifles per-say,but the magazines suck,they seem very loose in the mag chamber,and you really have to make sure they are “in” securely.....
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Originally Posted by gadgetman
yes their shot guns are a different story imo
When I was 16 I looked after a remington 700 in 7RM for a bit. Even at 16, holding that thing made me feel old. I knew if I held it for too long, that I would gain 30 years and buy a corolla. It was as close as a teenager can come to a midlife. Promptly gave it back and bought a sports car
If they made a machined accurate action with a Timney good trigger with their 5r barrels and a better stock and charged the same as a tikka they would do a lot better. There are a lot of custom rifles here in nz being made from 700 actions and having another $700 ish spent on them to make them good and changing barrel, trigger and stock and they shoot great why not do it themselves. That's what the market wants.
No one clones a tikka t3 action because why would you. Too light for heavy long or just long barrels which is what the rage is.
Tikka t3 is very popular because it is the most pushed rifle by the big brand retailers. Not because it is the best rifle. I've seen them doing it in the shops. They thrust a t3 at an unsuspecting young guy and when they are not sure they pull down a browning x bolt and the customer say that's nice.
I will probably get flack from the t3 brigade. Sorry but I can't stand them. Browning all the way.
I am quoting Stug again, however I think he is correctQuote:
Originally Posted by stug
I have a 1990 made rem BDL 30 06 that will , every time, print less than a 1 " group with Winchester 150gr ammo
My Mountain rifle which I replaced the Remington trigger on for a timney only went to buy a Finn light It was very accurate easily 1.5 inch with factory 280, this is good from a pencil thin barrel
Remington with the push rd feed was, in the day considered a more accurate rifle than the Winchester with their controlled rd feed as it was the considered opinion of everyone that wrote to and for magazines that it locked up tighter, though, some writers had some difficulty explaining the excellent accuracy or the post 64 push feed as they did the Remington 788, which was hurriedly discontinued as accuracy seemed to far exceed the 700
788's in 22 250 etc are still very much valued today.
The Remington triggers, apart from the 40x , are shit, they either don't go off or they go off when they shouldn't.
Good point 788s seem to be a nicely made rifle. Maybe they should have shelved the 700 design and continued the 788?Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
The only Remington I have ever owned, is a versamax tactical 12g. Still have it and really really rate it. Only mod was to extend the carrier, so it didn't remove the end of thumb while 2 up loading.
The center fire range of rifles - museums are created for a reason.
Plus they just seem ugly and crap.
I have a V3 and in my opinion it is the best semi I've ever owned.
Remington has either been too innovative too fast or too slow to react.
They were the first to come up with the carbon wrapped barrels in the 90's as well as the electronic ignition , but the 260 Remington launch was probably one of their big flops ( with the 6.5 Remington magnum and the 244).
the 260 was launch in only a couple of rifles( 700 bdl and mountain), with only two loads and what killed it was the 1 in 9" factory twist. Just when long range shooting was becoming more and more popular!
Had they produced rifles in 1 in 8" twist and in their varmint/police configuration with a couple of match loads , they would had lead the industry and sold them like hot cakes.
They came with their short magnums when Winchester was already ahead with theirs.
And they are just starting to produce rifles in 6.5 creedmoor when they could have done so 5 or 6 years ago!
Savage and ruger have always been on the forefront to launch guns in the new fashionable calibres .
Quote cowboy6...”I will probably get flack from the t3 brigade. Sorry but I can't stand them. Browning all the way.”
None from me mate,and I have both..The Browning 300,and the Tikka 300,enjoy both.Personal selection is what we are talking here,I certainly don’t begrudge anyone’s choice.Remington shotguns are great,some of their centrefires IMO are shit,so be it.There was a time in Kiwi,where selection was the Pitts,not anymore,so we will have more opinions than a bull can shit,I’m ok with that.
My first rifle,was a 303 out of a rubbish tin,(there were a dozen of them)from the gun Shop at the top of Cuba st in wgtn ,$20,I still have the bassturd,shoots just fine.....looks ugly,but then again,so am I ...and I still get laid!
A330,driver You must have got a pretty one, mine was $17.50, and like you Ive still got it, the lee bolt is a thing of beauty to operate.
MH...lol....agree totally,I picked through all of them,they were all beat up,had know idea WTF I was looking for.Uncle and I stripped the bugger down,sanded,resanded rear and front stocks,a bit of stain,varnish etc,and she looked a bloody beauty to behold.........didn’t take long before I fell over and dropped it in the Tararuas and put a bloody big dent in it........the novices we once were mate
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Originally Posted by Marty Henry
This thread is quite humorous, a bit like Hilux, or Ford vs Holden debate.
Many of comments are correct regarding triggers, terrible safety system(ok in its day) etc but there's no denying Remmington pretty much dominated the boltaction rifle market internationally for decades for a good reason and I guess they just rode that gravy train untill the others caught up. These things never last and other brands rise to the occasion and companies cut costs and quality drops off.
Rifles are very cheap today so we often get what we pay for, pretty sure 20~30 years ago were simular price, in fact might have paid a bit more for my 870 pump 25 years ago.
There are many other reasons to still buy them as often the cheapest way to semi custom to shoot long seated hi bc bullets in a number of calibre that much harder with Tikkas.
A Ruger American or Savage in simular price point shoot just as well out of the box as a Tikka or Browning for much less. The later 2 much nicer finished/machining of course but no difference getting job done.
One thing for sure, many posters haven't actually shot a nice Remmington, admittedly tuned and trigger replaced.
REMINGTON make your first shot count cause there might not be secondQuote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
https://www.remington.com/
Ask at your local hunting and thieving.
I've got a couple Remington rifles, and sold on several others, both the .17 fireballs I had m7 & m700 didn't feed well, :pissed off:and would sumtimes double feed, also not great in accuracy, the stainless mountain rifle I bought in late 80,s had to have the machining finished, on the top of the ramp and the ten lb trigger fixed, got a limited run stainless CDL stainless, in 6mm Remington left, really like it.
Remington's problem is the lowered quality, they concentrated on lower end fire arms, and reduced the options and choices, in there high end guns for years, Winchester, Montana, browning, Kimber, Henry, Ruger, have expanded, and continued to make quality, accurate, and well supported rifles, shotguns,
New arrivals into American marked, have increased, and others expanded product lines, ie Sako, Tikka, Howa, CZ, Markel etc
The bean counters at Remington, tarnished remington reputation, and other manufactures have capatialized on it.
I live much of the year in Alberta, Canada, and its obvious, when going into a madjor sports store, that others have gained market share, Winchester M70 are so popular, that they are luckily to have any on hand, henery, Howa, Will both have as many firearms on display as Remington, a lot of guys who started out with a cheap rifles, are looking for a better rifle next time, and skipping Remington,
Personally, I rather a M70 over a m700, and my gun safe now consists of Sako, Kimber CZ, Winchester, and coopers, with one ruger 77 in .358 win :thumbsup:
Two Remington M700, a 6mm Remington and an old m700 in 300H&H.:cool:
I have several Rem Mod 700 and a Mod 7. The model Seven in 223 needed a new extractor from new but since fix hasn't missed a beat and shots fine. I have a Mod 700 BDL SS in 7 mm Mag I bought in 96 probably never sell it shoots good. Have three 700 SPS models a 22 250, 243, 300 RUM and all are pretty good shooters. Probably get better makes and models but they all do the job.
My Tikka's would be a bit better accuracy wise and nice to carry around but overall the Rem's are good value for the money. Have a 1100 12 gauge which has had a lot of rounds through it and the only problem with it was a broken extractor, which I managed to fix myself.
I had my 300 RUM free floated and the action bedded and pillars put in to stop the plastic stock crushing when it is tighten up and that rifle shoots well best group to date was 13 mm at 100 yards, even with a crappy trigger.
Have 3 Remington rifles no issues with any of them, triggers are fine no feeding or extracting issues, guess I'm just lucky.
Bye bye Remington.
As a couple of earlier members posted I'd have a rem 788 in a flash. ex family friend had one in 243 and it was a tack driver. Would love one in 7mm08 but think they were done when they came out so maybe stick to 308.
I Do have a rem700. Its a 416 Remington magnum. Bought it in 96 or 97. Took a couple of years to get deer ammo sorted (for obvious reasons) so not much shooting.
Great rifle-1/4 pound lighter than a p/hale 3006 a mate bought at the time.
Great trigger and smooth action-if you did it right you could tilt the gun at the right angle hold the trigger in, and with a flick at the right time the bolt would close. actually harder to write than do.
First lot of hand loads I got for it were Barnes 350gr copper x bullets. Fire forming load in 375 h+h cases. I don't reckon they were doing anymore the 2200fps probably less.
Once we sighted it in, last group had 2 holes overlapping and the 3rd with about 6mm of paper between the edges. C to C of the group was 9/16x5/8.
A good friend was with me at the same time helping with a brand new Ruger 77 in 22 hornet-they were only just in the country. He loved/loves hornets but it was lucky to do 3 moa with factory ammo when my 416 did well under 1 moa. some more playing needed there
So trigger, action and barrel on mine was fine but obviously in the early to mid 90's when they still got their shit right.
I also always had a soft spot for the rem pump action rifles. They did a police version about 10 years ago in 308. I'd have one of them too.
It's likely someone will buy the pieces and keep making their popular models like the 870... Maybe
The 700 will never die, and will live on in aftermarket builds...
I'm currently building a 700, and it does not have a single Remington part on it... LOL
Interesting comment earlier on about the Bergara being pretty much a Remington but with good stuff on it. I vaguely remember reading something about Bergara being a clone of something but couldn't remember what. If I ever had a Bergara in my hands I'd have worked it out pretty quickly
Most H/F shops should have one or two for you to fondle.:)
They seem a little heavier but that could be just me,stock feels good for the price point and it comes in 6,5 flavours including the x55.
It isn't nice when they go off.Quote:
Originally Posted by nor-west
Safety "on" then to safety "off".
It isn't nice when they go off.Quote:
Originally Posted by nor-west
Safety "on" then they fire when putting safety to "off".
Don't like safeties on any rifle.
Use them on the auto shottie, and the ruger 10/22, but never really used them on the big rifles. If the bolt was closed I was ready if not half cock or less.
Mind you don't do much shooting lately and even when I did never saw much so i'll cop that.
How light did you set the trigger?Quote:
Originally Posted by erniec
Hadn't played with it as it was when I bought it.
Have got a timney to put on it.
I use half cock position but thought i would try using the safety and it went off on me.
This was in the snow damage in the Kaimanawa's and was looking at how quiet and easy it was to do.
Went off the idea real quick.
Note no one was at risk when i did it.
Thought for a while I must have had finger resting on trigger or something as you do not expect this sort of thing to happen.
There was a doco on 60 minutes? a couple months ago and it was pretty sobering watching that.
You can watch it on YouTube
...And that article said she pointed a firearm known to be loaded directly at her son, and it went off killing him... Not saying the Remington trigger was not to blame but FFS she's living with her mistake and stupidity...Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
so if i want another Mod7 I should be buying asap?
The Remington Outdoor Company, one of America’s largest firearm and ammunition manufacturers, plans to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection after reaching a deal Monday with its creditors, according to multiple reports.
Company officials said in a news release that a prepackaged reorganization plan will be filed with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware.
The deal will give control of the company to its lenders.
Remington seeks to lower its $950 million debt load, Reuters reported.
The company’s executive chairman, Jim Geisler, said in a statement that "difficult industry conditions make today’s agreement prudent."
The company’s debtors include JPMorgan Asset Management and Franklin Templeton Investments, Reuters reported, who will trade their debt holdings for equity in Remington as part of the deal unveiled today (Monday).
Since a bankruptcy filing under Chapter 11 allows a company to reorganize and stay in business as the company works to repay debtors, officials with Remington said in a news release that the company will continue to operate as normal as the restructuring process gets underway.
Donald Trump is the root problem. If Hilary had been elected the preppers and Rednecks would have been running around like headless chickens buying everything in sight.
As an aside; Savage are aware of this issue and are working on it. I've probably only sold 4 or 5 of the B17/B22 rifles and have already had one with a mag that just wouldn't feed full stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by A330driver
Personally I think the 700 rifle and 870 shotgun were each one of the best options when they first came out. Sure i'd prefer a Mossberg 500 for a pump shotgun, and there are plenty of better options in terms of rifles, but at the time they were solid. A lot of people say that QC from Remington has gone down hill in the last 20 years or so, which is sad. I do like me a model 7.
And sure, people say that H&F stores push Tikka/Sako/Beretta/Benelli because H&F has a strong relationship with Beretta, but you would not believe how many people come in asking for a Tikka by name. My reaction is always "Sure, here, but also what about his Remington model 7; it costs the same?" But nine times out of ten they choose the Tikka, seemingly because it's what everyone else has. For the same money, I'd sooner have the model 7; metal magwell/floorplate/trigger guard, shorter and handier overall, and despite being 6'6", the shorter model 7 just points really nice for me. My advice usually follows this pattern: try to spend as much as you can on the optics (as much as you do on the rifle if you can. Customers look at me like I have three heads), if the remaining budget is $1000 or less, look at a Howa; lifetime warranty and 1 MOA accuracy guarantee for all Howas sold 2017 and onwards. If it's $1500-$1600 I recommend an X-bolt Stainless Stalker, Remington model 7, or Tikka T3X.