Thread: Richard Lincoln

Originally Posted by R93

Sorry! I didn't realise I had to clarify how law is changed in this country on a forum consisting of mostly intelligent people.

I will take it under advisement in future.

I/we heard it in a forum that has a vested interest in the act.
Also relayed by someone who deals with police and politicians every day.
Not even saying it will happen. Just that there is a push from police to clarify it.

I would also ask before you accuse police of presenting a firearm and threatening to kill, learn what an ROE is.

Might help with your understanding of situations like Lincoln found himself in.

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So what DOES it mean when someone with a uniform points a gun at you? Is it not someone presenting a firearm and making an unmistakable threat to your life? The police ROE is surely not law, so should be open to the challenge of law. Gutless Law Society maybe not wishing to rock the boat, fair enough, but checks and balances my sphincter.

Originally Posted by Cordite

So what DOES it mean when someone with a uniform points a gun at you? Is it not someone presenting a firearm and making an unmistakable threat to your life? The police ROE is surely not law, so should be open to the challenge of law. Gutless Law Society maybe not wishing to rock the boat, fair enough, but checks and balances my sphincter.

I'd say it means do exactly what the person with the gun says immediately and without argument.

Originally Posted by Cordite

So what DOES it mean when someone with a uniform points a gun at you? Is it not someone presenting a firearm and making an unmistakable threat to your life? The police ROE is surely not law, so should be open to the challenge of law. Gutless Law Society maybe not wishing to rock the boat, fair enough, but checks and balances my sphincter.

If you are known to be carrying a firearm or have one in your possession how can you not expect to be addressed with firearms once police are involved for whatever reason?





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Originally Posted by R93

If you are known to be carrying a firearm or have one in your possession how can you not expect to be addressed with firearms once police are involved for whatever reason?
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You appear to agree it does mean the cops presented a firearm and threatened his life. And he should expect that for being a law abiding firearms owner and the police become involved with that, for whatever reason of worried phone calls they happen to receive.

Saying that... he should maybe have expected it if he set out to deliberately provoke a showdown with police over a poorly conceived law. Is that scenario remotely possible given his litigious bent (as lawyers do have, not singling him out) mixed with his political activism? I don't know the guy, I just read and try to fathom him. Surely he owned a soft case then, and any case he had could have readily accommodated his little black gun.

Originally Posted by Cordite

You appear to agree it does mean the cops presented a firearm and threatened his life. And he should expect that for being a law abiding firearms owner and the police become involved with that, for whatever reason of worried phone calls they happen to receive.

Saying that... he should maybe have expected it if he set out to deliberately provoke a showdown with police over a poorly conceived law. Is that scenario remotely possible given his litigious bent (as lawyers do have, not singling him out) mixed with his political activism? I don't know the guy, I just read and try to fathom him. Surely he owned a soft case then, and any case he had could have readily accommodated his little black gun.

To be fair I have no interest or know anything about the guy Lincoln or his problems.

I just know and expect that if a complaint is made about me (bogus or not) and I have a firearm in my vehicle or on me I will have firearms pointed at me when being confronted by police until such time I am deemed to be safe.
Imo the very act of having a firearm pointed at me is a threat to my life.
If by police I will address it very slowly and deliberately.


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Originally Posted by Cordite

So what DOES it mean when someone with a uniform points a gun at you? Is it not someone presenting a firearm and making an unmistakable threat to your life? The police ROE is surely not law, so should be open to the challenge of law. Gutless Law Society maybe not wishing to rock the boat, fair enough, but checks and balances my sphincter.

The gutless approach by the Law Society would have been to let this chap in.

On the matter of who makes law. Of course the Parliament does. But the Police are acting quite properly when they make clear how they do, or intend to, interpret the law. Guided of course by the intent of the Act and common law (one would hope).

Originally Posted by Tahr

The gutless approach by the Law Society would have been to let this chap in.

On the matter of who makes law. Of course the Parliament does. But the Police are acting quite properly when they make clear how they do, or intend to, interpret the law. Guided of course by the intent of the Act and common law (one would hope).

Remains to be seen. If Mr Lincoln has guts, he'll cut his losses and work out something actually better to do than practise law, at least in the short term.