Thread: Richard Lincoln

@gundoc, back in the NSA days, Lincoln stood up in front of a select committee in Parliament and claimed to represent 229,977 firearms license members.

At that stage, it was very clear that he did not have the support of the majority of license holders. But being a law-student, he likes playing games with words. So for instance when it suits him, he is happy to say he represents all license holders, by using words like "access". When the license holders confront him and say "nope, you don't" he reverts to weird schemes like his infamous "opt-out" system. If you want to see the detail, and how average firearms license holders reacted to this, search for the "NSA membership figures"

People on here have asked for more info regarding how Richard conducts himself, and if it is worth spending your money supporting him. You make up your own mind

Originally Posted by ebf

@gundoc, back in the NSA days, Lincoln stood up in front of a select committee in Parliament and claimed to represent 229,977 firearms license members.

At that stage, it was very clear that he did not have the support of the majority of license holders. But being a law-student, he likes playing games with words. So for instance when it suits him, he is happy to say he represents all license holders, by using words like "access". When the license holders confront him and say "nope, you don't" he reverts to weird schemes like his infamous "opt-out" system. If you want to see the detail, and how average firearms license holders reacted to this, search for the "NSA membership figures"

People on here have asked for more info regarding how Richard conducts himself, and if it is worth spending your money supporting him. You make up your own mind

It appears that you are seeing imaginary 'words between the lines'! I have read his submission and he definitely uses the word 'access' which has a completely different meaning to 'represent'. 'Access' in this context means the ability to communicate with, the ability to read forums such as this and gauge opinions, the ability to read editorial comments in national shooting and hunting magazines, etc. It does not mean to speak for them without their input. You frequently hear the word 'represent' used by various (and frequently limp-wristed, left-wing, 'academic') groups who claim to be acting in the 'public interest', which, of course is nonsense because they never asked anyone outside their small clique of sycophants. Richard Lincoln and the NSA work for the upholding of the law as it is written, not as it perceived, manipulated, or just blatantly ignored by the NZ Police and other groups. When such instances occur (and there is a definite small number of people in places of influence working to 'control' firearms owners in NZ) then you can expect the NSA to sit up and respond. If you wish to continue as a firearms owner there is no compulsion upon you to actively fight for your rights, but don't put yourself up for ridicule when a few less timorous souls do it for you! My apologies to Winston Churchill but you and your ilk "may sleep soundly in your beds because tough men stand ready to visit justice upon those who would do us harm"! As you may guess, I am part of the NSA.

Originally Posted by gundoc

You frequently hear the word 'represent' used by various (and frequently limp-wristed, left-wing, 'academic') groups who claim to be acting in the 'public interest', which, of course is nonsense because they never asked anyone outside their small clique of sycophants.

So basically you are saying that the NSA is a limp-wristed, left-wing, academic group ?

Coz acting on behalf of others, for their supposed benefit (even if they don't want you to, because you claim to know what is better for them) is exactly what the NSA does

Originally Posted by ebf

So basically you are saying that the NSA is a limp-wristed, left-wing, academic group ?

Coz acting on behalf of others, for their supposed benefit (even if they don't want you to, because you claim to know what is better for them) is exactly what the NSA does

I realise that you come from a country where English is a second language, but you have, yet again, put an incorrect meaning on plain English words. Richard Lincoln never said he was 'representing' anyone, and neither did I. What I said, in essence, was that the NSA took action in instances where the Police had been making decisions that were outside their legal powers (ie: ultra vires) in relation to the administration of the Arms Act. There was never any claim to be 'representing' anyone, but rather instituting action to ensure that the rule of law is followed and we do not become a Police State. The decisions are in the interests of all firearms owners, but no claim is made to be 'representing' them. I am sure that no-one is of the opinion that the NSA is 'limp-wristed', 'left wing', or 'academic'!