Son is after a new 243
Talking Tikka. I've no experience of them
What would you consider as comparable or better?
For bare rifle threaded.
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Son is after a new 243
Talking Tikka. I've no experience of them
What would you consider as comparable or better?
For bare rifle threaded.
If he wanted to save some money, a Howa for around $1k would be a very good. At that budget the Tikka is the obvious choice.
I'm yet to see a tikka that doesn't shoot. Tikkas are great! Howa a good option for the price as well
Bergara, or kimber hunter both nice rifles around those $$. Not sure about 243 caliber availibility though
Tikkas are mint own 3 of them
Howa and mauser m18 are also decent options
Get the tikka . With the right loads it will outshoot most things
Fuck you must have had a lemon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusty Fog
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Tikka or Bergara would be my options to look at. Both proven shooters and nicely made.
However, both are fairly different types of actions, ammo holding setups, stock designs, etc. So it would be worth going and playing with both before buying to see what fits and suits you best.
Actually this advice applies to any other brands as well.
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2nd hand tikka or a begara are both great options. I own 1 of each and I like both for different reasons.
Lemons will be had everywhere, tikka I would have thought less likely to have a dud. I wouldn't own a howa ever again but a lot of people own them and are happy.
I would choose a Tikka
Had three Tikkas. Now have a Bergara Extreme Hunter.
Both will work. Tikka are a little lighter but kick a lot more. Bergaras seem to give you a lot of value with things like cerakoting and threading thrown in.
tikka or bergara, probably lean towards bergara myself but the tikka is a lighter no thrills rifle that just works
What type of hunting: Bush, bush edges & scrub, open country ?
Bipod or standing and improvised rest ?
Big hands, small hands ?
What about the Model 7 7mm08 that is for sale ? Nicer to use than a T3
i have a browning x bolt in 243, 30 rounds through it, with a factory ring . free shipping too,pm me if you want.
sorry thought this was in the for sale line.
40 yr old male, solid build, medium large hands. All round hunting with an interest and the eyesight to go longer distance but within capabilities. So as he develops moving out with better optics to 300- 400m but starting out with say a 3-9x40 e.g. Vortex Crossfire II, sticking to sub 220mQuote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
Mostly off-hand or whatever's handy, tree, post, etc for close in, bipod or pack rest for further out, maybe sticks.
I am suitably impressed with my Browning X-Bolt. It did take a few rounds to shrink the group but was more than acceptable out of the box. 308 not 243 though I doubt there will be any difference.
He's keen on 6 or 6.5mmQuote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
A Howa with scope and suppressor for that almost exact money at Gunworks brand new, only extra needed is ammo
Savage. I've brought a weather warrior .243 20yrs ago as a backup and used by other family members. Looks and feels pretty cheap BUT the rifle just shoots, is lightish to carry and just plain works! With the saving on rifle $$$ you'll be able to afford some descent optics and rings.
agree with happy jack..... howa package
or let him use your zastava for a bit....he will fall in love and you will get to use the howa he will buy to replace it for you....
I will throw in my 2 cents worth - what shoots for that money - the earlier TIKKAS - bloody accurate -yes some were heavy but man up carrying one - a heavier rifle shoots better off hand - for accuracy and handling hard to beat - earlier Remington's from 70,s and earlier eighties 700 BDL or ADL - nothing wrong with trigger- accuracy or handling ( trigger so long as they had the older fully adjustable one ) still have my 1975 BDL in .222 never to be sold - Winchester 70 yup- Ruger from that era yes very well made -accuracy well debatable -I was not impressed - some did some did not - but man those rugers they were well built - Remington 788 basic bolt action rough but a good one will match anything in price range - at the end of day its what you like -crossed with the final proof what does it do on paper - and any hunter who does not like trying his rifle on paper to see what its doing is an idiot -
I was very happy with my Zastava at Sunday's NZDA Silhouette shoot Micky. I let it down a bit from the knees and Standing offhand positions but after the shoot I got my sticks out and that told a better story, just a bit of zero adjustment requiredQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
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The Zasty has been chopped from 24" to 21" and now wears a DPT can and I was really happy it still stabilized the 100gn Speers. I just picked a near max load to try, now I'll do some load dev and bench shooting to pinpoint a tighter group.
stoked!!!!!!! you just got to be happy with that.
Yeah that's a dead one any day if the week at 100m. Might have to refine things a bit out at 200 tho :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
The T3 stock is a bit skimpy at the pistol grip for mans hands. The fore-stock is flimsy and bears on the barrel so Bipod is out. 243 a bit light for shots at 400 for a beginner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhon
Howa would be better, a bergara might be better again for fit.
He could get a second hand Weatherby at a good price, but whatever rifle he does get 243 wouldn't be my suggestion for a first rifle
Really, the Tikka stock has to be the best budget stock by miles, they are full of fiber and remarkably rigid while your low end Howa stocks are shocking and definitely need opening up to give a bipod a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
Yeah, I've owned both, the tikka for end is rigid, none of mine came close to making contact with the berrel, even if squeezing them together, and could be shot of the bipod repeatedly no problem. The houge Howas stocks on the other hand, pretty soft and flimsy. Better shot of a pack than a bipod if repeatability is required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
Thks. It won't be his first rifle and per above, he won't be shooting 400m from the get-go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
The Tikka stock bears on the barrel it is not free floated. There is a bearing point 70mm from the tip and a second 163mm from the fore end tip. The tip will often bear on the barrelQuote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
Both apply upward pressure to the barrel. This means that shooting off a hard surface or a Bipod is going to affect the harmonics. If the Tikka stock is free floated the fore end needs to be stabilised so that it wont twist at the recoil lug. The other rifles can be free floated without issue
The Tikka stock multiplies felt recoil contrary to Newtons laws
Why do they shoot so well then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
Ask how I know
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I had a Howa Ranch (1500?) in 243 with a Hogue. It shot like a laser, and I shot off a bipod. I'm not sure where you get flimsy from, the stock was solid to the point I didn't like the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
Best shot I had on it was shooting a fallow half-yearling (not much more than a handbag) through the heart at 335m. That was on a 3-9x40 Nikon scope with a plex reticule.
They shoot well because Tikka got the bearing points correct. Tikkas are pressure bedded, so they will shoot well in a given repeatable situation like a range, but in a different situation - over a log, bonnet etc can produce and unexplained WTF miss. They shoot even better in an aftermarket stockQuote:
Originally Posted by andyanimal31
On my mates one (which shoots like a laser) but we found that we could relatively easily torque the stock to the point that it could put pressure on the barrel, that's not going to happen often and shouldnt happen off a bench etc but the potential is there. They are flexible and always wonder how much more flexible they might become in the heat. Still amazing bang for the buck tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
Interesting thoughts, after reading them I unwrapped an unused TX3 stock and put a barreled action in it. There is one designed contact point on either side of the barrel about 8cm from the action, nothing at all near the tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
I don't see those contact points on either side of the barrel as having anything to do with the bedding, I always assumed they there are to ensure that the barrel stays centered in the barrel channel (which has very tight tolerances on the barrel, to keep shit and crap out I imagine). And I assumed that they are deliberately located far enough away from the tip of the barrel that they wouldn't accuracy (I've always removed them anyway).
I'm taken with the genius of the Tikka design that economizes where it can to give hunters a high quality sako barrel etc.
The old wood stocked Sako's were pressure bedded too with upward pressure at the fore end tip. This worked well but water could swell the stock and move the POIQuote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
Nawww, the only place the stock should be touching the barrel on a plastic stocked Tikka is just in front of the action. There is a little nub on each side of the stock contacting the barrel on both sides just infront of the chamber. It should not be making contact elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
Have you done the 'dollar bill' test with yours ? If it is free floated it will be because either someone has relieved the factory pressure bedding points or the rifle action has been bedded and the person doing it very slightly elevated the front of the action to give clearance from the stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisW
If you are interested, I have a Winchester model 670 (1966-79) in 243 that I'm looking after for son. This is the budget stock version of Winchester model 70 - with I believe same action. 670 stock is coloured beech I think rather than model 70's walnut. This one has few wear marks and was going strip and to recoat it - an easy job. But its a nice action, good weight, has a Leupold 2-7 sitting on it, and has no trouble shooting MOA with the one Federal ammo he gave me. Doubt he'll want too much for it - but quite alot of rifle for the money.
The other very effective hunter is, as suggested above, the Howa. My model 1500 in 223 averages around 0.7" at 100m with factory ammos, with best of 0.4". Again you get alot of performance for your money - the accuracy, durability, and reliability you need for a field shooter. You could spend alot more and get less.
