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kia ora recently i have been hearing and seeing bush pig rifles and super pig rifles on the internet and online and was wondering what the difference was between the 2 like is there certain calibres or barrel lengths. if someone could clear that up for me that would be great.
Bush pigs are normally standard cartridges like 7mm08 and 308, with barrels cut down much shorter than normal suppressed rifles. Often 17" and under
Super pigs are the same thing but with larger cartridges like 284 win, wsm, Saum and even shorter Rem mags
I’d say bush pigs is 16-18” and less standard bolt face cartridges .308 .284 etc and super pig would be 18-20” magnums . That’s my take on it anyhow
Bushpigs usually around 16 inch barrel in 243, 260, 7mm08 or 308. Short and handy for bush hunting 0-300 yards.
Super pigs usually around 18 inch barrel in 284, 270wsm, 300wsm etc. Still fairly short and handy but able to take those longer shots 0-600 yards.
Ie. I have a Rem Model 7 with a 15" 708 barrel (with dpt suppressor). Running 140gr nbts, its good for out to 400 yards max. I class that as a bush pig.Quote:
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I also have a Tikka with a 17" 284win barrel (also dpt suppressor). I normally run 162gr Amax in that which carries enough energy and velocity to be usable on deer out to 700 yards. Id class that as a Super bush pig.
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does the length of the barrel dictate mainly how far you can shoot.
Think of barrel lengths a bit like tyre widths. It's a bit pointless using narrow tyres on a decent V8.
Bushpig = Short handy rifle for dedicated short range shooting in places like the bush. 308, 708 etc.
Superpig = Short handy rifle but not always quite as short as a bushpig. Still capable of making long shots when needed. 284, 7mm SAUM, 7mm WSM, 7mm RM, 300 WSM etc.
It's not really length of barrel as such that matters, but for the same ammo a shorter barrel gives you less velocity.Quote:
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a longer barrel helps the bullet shoot flatter depending on the caliber, its up to the shooter to choose how far you can/want to shoot.Quote:
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i have a 300 win mag with a 16 inch barrel. very uncommon for a magnum to have a barrel like that but shoots 178gr bullets at 2900fps and i will happily shoot out to 600+ yards with it when needed.
My 18" barreled 7mm saum, ultra light build, shoots out to 750 nicely!! =superPig
There are three things to understand about a bush pig:
Compared to a standard 22" model it will make a lot more noise and kick a bit more, so you will use a suppressor that may not have been so neccessary with the classic setup.
Compared to a standard 22" model it will have less velocity (flat shooting) and less kinetic energy (killing power). To try and compensate for this a lot of shooters spend considerable time and money looking for a load to recover some of the velocity. The same load in a 22" barrel will be a super performer. Roughly each inch of barrel gives 50 fps.
If you are trying to increase velocity and power, half an inch extra in the cartridge, bolt and action will give more that a couple of inches on the barrell. Hence a 16" 3006 should outperform an 18" 308. If you don't need the power then a pig is for you; double down and go for a 7.62x39 .
The bush pigs still haven't shot as many deer as the cullers did with their 27" or what ever smle's. They seemed to manage in the tight stuff. How did they do that??
Its a trendy fad like not wearing a belt and having your jeans and undies around your arse.
Seriously though, 90% of the so called bush pigs probably never get into the trees properly - mainly shooting in the open and slips. Those that do go into the trees with success could probably use any length rifle.
I do have a 18" 7-08 but cant think why I would need anything shorter.
Slightly over stated I think @Tahr. They certainly managed ok but it was also all they had to use in that era and they didn’t have a big can hanging off the end. Quality suppressors requiring shorter barrels to re balance the ergonomics just weren’t a thing back then. It’s probably not very fair to compare the modern bush hunter with daily commitments to the talley of a professional culler.Quote:
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Overstated? Me? :)Quote:
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I was taking the piss, until the "seriously though" bit.
I wear a belt and braces.
Happy days, the joys of keyboard communication.Quote:
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I don’t understand the belt and braces though sorry haha?
It’s marketing jargon that makes you think you need to sell your old Parker hale and buy a t3 and butcher it and add accessories to shoot a deer. Same like all the bullshit clothing companies etc geared up around hunting, if you can get a few instagrammers to wear fancy camo patterns and a chopped up rifle with stuff attached to it then you’ll get sales
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Yep as soon as suppressors became the norm, rifles with 22-24 inch barrels with long suppressors hanging off the end messed up balance and made them annoying long when carrying/stalking.Quote:
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Only reason i cut the model 7 708 to 15" was due to it being a trademe purchase, when it arrived i discovered it had been left with suppressor fitted for an extended period. The outside of the S/S barrel was pitted to hell, so i decided if it was cut down to 15" it would get rid of most of it, with a dpt on it with only 2 baffles fitted its an awesome gun for Stewy Island trips.
I only really use my two stumpys when i get into the bush in the roar or at Stewy.
95% of my deer get shot with one gun, my M7 7saum which is 22" and i carry a dpt in my pack which i fit if making a long prone shot.
The name bushpig and superpig I think came from the NZ Hunter show/magazine (may have been a pimp your bush rifle series of articles).
The superpig is usually slightly longer barrel and commonly in a bigger cartridge, also probably has a more powerful scope with the ability to dial.
Back in the day they were just called a carbine.
Back in the day, bushpigs were what some of the lads chased in town late at night….
Does it matter if it works?
Every one of us has different needs - I would hate to climb through the shit I often end up in with a 24" barrel. But I don't shoot more than a couple hundy metres. More like tens of.
But if I can have a legal length rifle that does what I need for much shorter and suppressed? Why not?
Yes, I could still do it louder and more awkward but personally would rather not.
Bushpig is the new name for what an old bugger like me called a "carbine"... ;)
I tend to agree with preacher .
I have my 2 go to rifles , the 308 16" bushy as the vast majority of my hunting is in tight , shitty local doc land and even with the shorter barrel you get tied up on every second bush (I hate blackberry and gorse with a passion !!) . Certain areas I don't even take a sling for the same reason and most shooting is done at max 30 mtrs .
If I know I am going to an open area with no or minimal obstructions and longer range shooting out comes the 338 with it's looong barrel .
here's a spanner in the works- i love the idea of short pigs- always have , but and there's always a but, I'm so used to using rifles as a walking stick because of crappy knees that pigs are no good for me, I really dont like anything shorter than 20inch with a suppressor :)