Thread: Sad Commentary on Life and Balance.

Originally Posted by Tommy

This, spare us the bUt iF yOu haVe noThInG tO hIdE nonsense, give up your own rights by all means, but don't expect others to

Being polite and cooperating when it will cause no one harm is not giving up your rights. And regardless, we always maintain the ability to enforce our rights when we really do need to. No one likes a smart arse, so why be one for no good reason.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Being polite and cooperating when it will cause no one harm is not giving up your rights. And regardless, we always maintain the ability to enforce our rights when we really do need to. No one likes a smart arse, so why be one for no good reason.

There's nothing smartarse about refusing a warrantless search when you've done nothing wrong. In fact, trying on a warrantless search on the assumption that people are unsure of their rights, that would be pretty smartarse carryon wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by Tommy

There's nothing smartarse about refusing a warrantless search when you've done nothing wrong. In fact, trying on a warrantless search on the assumption that people are unsure of their rights, that would be pretty smartarse carryon wouldn't it?

[QUOTE]Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
Being polite and cooperating when it will cause no one harm is not giving up your rights. And regardless, we always maintain the ability to enforce our rights when we really do need to. No one likes a smart arse, so why be one for no good reason./QUOTE]

I think you are both correct. Me personally most days Id just say sure, look away. But if I caught an attitude or felt the motive was insincere, it would be more likely to be a no with the question Reason?

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Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
Being polite and cooperating when it will cause no one harm is not giving up your rights. And regardless, we always maintain the ability to enforce our rights when we really do need to. No one likes a smart arse, so why be one for no good reason./QUOTE]

I think you are both correct. Me personally most days Id just say sure, look away. But if I caught an attitude or felt the motive was insincere, it would be more likely to be a no with the question Reason?

Yes, this is where I sit. As I said we can choose to waive our rights and choose to enforce them. It's contextual and its a continuum. Arguing with the Police when you have nothing to lose seems pointless and confrontational to me. And from my experience will make things worse rather than better. You need to know when to give a little, when to give a little back, and when to dig your toes in. I expect that some Police don't understand the gun laws like they should, and that most gun owners know even less. Hardly a recipe for a black and white conversation on the side of the road.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Being polite and cooperating when it will cause no one harm is not giving up your rights. And regardless, we always maintain the ability to enforce our rights when we really do need to. No one likes a smart arse, so why be one for no good reason.

Cooperating with an unlawful police search?
This is an exceedingly slippery slope.

I'd say that a constable trying to do a warrantless search is not polite. If they have a whine then that's them being a smart arse.