When so many people hunt from tree stands in Europe maybe we just aren't the intended market?
When so many people hunt from tree stands in Europe maybe we just aren't the intended market?
I wonder what the cost will be for new barrels, if it's anything like Blaser barrels I don't see it being worth the cost.
There are so many rifles on the market that just use a standard threaded barrel with a locking mechanism that I don't see why manufacturers are still doing systems that require a barrel extension.
Blaser mounts are meant to be repetable enough that you can take scopes on and off with no shift in zero, and quality picatinny mounts return to zero very well, threaded/shouldered barrels return to zero just fine I see no justification for a setup like the Sako 100 in 2022.
I know the intended market doesn't care about the cost of extra barrels but if a normal barrel was used any gun smith can make you a barrrel in what ever length, conotur, twist, cartridge, muzzle thread you could ever want and have the choice between carbonfibre or stainless.
Rather than need to special order and wait months for if to arrive from Finland, and likey be more expensive.
It's a good thing I'm not the intended market for the Sako 100.
I have seen some early indication on price of barrels (clearly i cannot disclose until confirmed) but it is not as bad as others on the market.
This is not a product aimed at the majority of the NZ market. There are always guys who are keen to pay for the features this rifle offers. (we have already pre sold north of 40 units within the network, even with pricing not 100% confirmed) Remember in Europe there are countries where gun volumes held by private citizens are limited, so having one rifle with multiple barrels is a must for those wanting to shoot a lot of different cals.
For me it will come down to four things
Price
price of extra barrels
Mounting systems
weight.
I hunt mainly private land where no one else should be so carting a case with extra barrels wouldn't be an issue should I decide to field change from a 30 cal load to a 6.5.
if I went anywhere else I would do what everyone else does and take one rifle.
Going to my range for the day as I do would be much simpler as well
I'm at an age now where I'm looking for the end game, hence the brand new ute a couple of years ago
I could definitely see myself with the walnut version and three barrels which will cover everything I now shoot with the caliber range shown, no need for another bolt face etc..
Whether I'm the target market or not is for me to decide, the manufacturer offers a product, it's up to me to decide whether that product fit's my needs or not.
I would however keep my lever gun, I mean, you would, wouldn't you.
Last edited by jakewire; 01-04-2022 at 02:41 PM.
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Just seen an estimate price of $5000 Euro ~$8K NZ for the carbon model...
"O what a day, what a lovely day"
At that kinda a price it would be a solid nope from me.
The bolt shroud thing is definitely putting me off, and for $8k every part of that rifle needs to to sing and that shroud/safety doesn't sing it farts
There is also the concern that even the carbon model would likely weigh in more than a tikka.
I love the adjustable cheek butt and schnabel fore but not $8k love, there are more appealing options to me in/under that price bracket in the Sako/Beretta stable.
Still cool to see innovations, one day all these innovations will be combined into the "one" but the more I look at it, for me this isn't the "one"
Still keen to fondle one in the flesh. Kinda looks like the Lupo and BRX1 were concepts for some of the features, loved my Lupo and would own another in a heartbeat especially if a lighter fluted barrel carbon stocked version was released. The Lupo's only real fault in my eyes was it was on the heavy side.
#DANNYCENT
Personally myself that walnut model is stunning is the bolt face interchangeable? Not that I need another magnum I’d say I’d go .270 then add a .243 barrel and maybe a 9.3 but same same won’t actually buy one for every barrel comes another 2k for a scope could easily be staring down the barrel of 20k to have 3 scoped barrels assuming a barrels around $2000
I'm hoping barrels will be a some what less expensive than that and what they do cost would be offset by selling the current rifles in the calibers of choice.
I'd go 6.5x55, 30 06, 9.3x62.
But at anywhere near 2.8K for a barrel it isn't going to happen for me as even a barrel would be more than I'd ask for My 85 Finn.
It's all moot untill actual pricing is available.
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As for weight, as anybody who has owned a switch cal rifle before knows, they are always heavier than a standard rifle. The extra metal work and bedding required does put the weight of this over a Tikka, even with a carbon stock. But then again, even a Carbonlight is practically the same weight as a Tikka.
Pricing - i can confirm the Carbon will be north of $8k. Again, we are still in talks as this comes in so many different configurations its not even funny. (Fluted barrel, non fluted, standard weight, D18 profile barrel, manual safety, handspunnel, threaded/non) but those who want it will have it.
Unfortunately everything is going up and even a Finnlight retail is now sitting at just under $4k. If you compare the Sako 100 to the new RRP on a Blaser R8 at $9,200 it sits in the same ball park.
As I said above switch barrel rifles don't have to be heavier.
Many custom rifles in the US use a standard threated barrel with a locking screw the same as Accuracy International do it.
Western Texas Ordanace make a mod that can turn a Tikka (and other rifles) into a switch barrel rifle.
I actually have a standard Tikka T3x which I've set up with changeable barrels, just have flats machined into the barrel and use a torque wrench and crows foot to install each barrel.
Probably don't even need a torque wrench but I use one anyway.
Return to zero is perfect from the testing I have done and some guys overseas have done the same thing.
Never understood the practical application of switch barrels.
If the base walnut rifle with one barrel is north of 8K, then I won't be targeting the Sako 100 as part of my retirement plans.
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Relax boys @buzzman will have a couple of second hand ones just as soon as they hit the streets.
I’ve got first dibs mind you…
You know these new set ups must be well thought out to knock off the Sako 85 here in NZ. I think that’s the point, here in NZ we are simply small fry as far as volume goes and the way our lovely Leftie set-up is looking we won’t be able to buy a rifle soon without a carbon fouling tax of $8k on each rifle…
…a Finnlight or Carbonlite are simply the best out there.
Dan M
The 100 is not designed to be a replacement for the 85. This is a stand alone product to sit in a tier and price point above what Sako currently offers. The walnut will be sub 8k and carbon north of that. When you look at a carbon blaser r8 at $16,000 then the 100 is a bargain!
But if it’s only 1/4 as good as the blaser then it’s over priced ….. I like it I like it a lot excited look darn fine with a z8 1.whatever to what ever with a capped turret. While iv read this entire thread and understand it’s still in talks re pricing any eta to see them on the shelf’s . Or see it on the shelf plural might mean shops mortgaging
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