Thread: Sales through the register

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Heads up on selling items via the gun register.... Just been on the phone to the team and found out if you sell a firearm and go through the mail order permit process it is still up to the receiving person to go through and change the rifle into their name. I have sold 2 in the last few months and one was marked as pending on my side because the person that processed the mail order form did their job right, the other one had not been recorded at all even though I had been sent a copy of the approved mail order form. Both of those rifles are technically still under my license even though the police have been told through the correct channels that they have been sold and given the buyers details.

Until the buyers accept them onto their login they will stay on yours, and it doesn't seem to be clear who is responsible for making the buyers do it, the nice lady on the phone even suggested that I should email the buyers myself. Both transfers are already over the 30 day limit.

As a dealer as far as I know its easy, I just fill out the form on line, then TTP contact the buyer & Aunty Bob they are on the register & required to register all their firearms

Strange it would be any different for a private individual doing the same.....why should you have to contact the buyer ???

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

As a dealer as far as I know its easy, I just fill out the form on line, then TTP contact the buyer & Aunty Bob they are on the register & required to register all their firearms

Strange it would be any different for a private individual doing the same.....why should you have to contact the buyer ???

Have you gone back in to see if everything you have sold has come off your list yet?

Originally Posted by Mintie

Have you gone back in to see if everything you have sold has come off your list yet?

I don't have a list, dealer stock is exempt for a year or two ish

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

As a dealer as far as I know its easy, I just fill out the form on line, then TTP contact the buyer & Aunty Bob they are on the register & required to register all their firearms

Strange it would be any different for a private individual doing the same.....why should you have to contact the buyer ???

so in both those cases...the "Aunty Bob's" could in effect revoke FAL for non compliance.......... watch this space methinks!!!

Nice.

So imagine somebody would do something stupid with those guns...

I think people really want to think twice who they're selling their firearms to...

Originally Posted by STC

Nice.

So imagine somebody would do something stupid with those guns...

I think people really want to think twice who they're selling their firearms to...

I’d be worried if the name was Tarrant, but after that it’s the police that issue the FAL and as long as I see it, it ain’t my problem?
I might make an exception if is was a gang member……. No I wouldn’t the police have got this, I hope

Originally Posted by STC

Nice.

So imagine somebody would do something stupid with those guns...

I think people really want to think twice who they're selling their firearms to...

The register is going to stop that

This has been one of my thoughts, if the purchaser doesnt do their part then what? Same with cars some people end up buying a car and not putting it in their name... hope this shit doesnt bite you in the arse as you were doing the proper thing.

Originally Posted by blip

This has been one of my thoughts, if the purchaser doesnt do their part then what? Same with cars some people end up buying a car and not putting it in their name... hope this shit doesnt bite you in the arse as you were doing the proper thing.

My experience says it has no effect on the seller but they come after the buyer if you don't do your part


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Originally Posted by BRADS

My experience says it has no effect on the seller but they come after the buyer if you don't do your part


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Correct, I transferred ownership of a couple rifles today and made a point of asking as I had just read this thread, the authority will contact the new owner if nothing is confirmed within 30 days. I made very sure to ask if I had done everything required by me as a seller under the act and if there was any come back on me if the buyer hadn't confirmed within the 40 days....was told absolutely no come back on me as long as I check FAL and confirm their current, then the transfer will be marked as pending on my record and they will follow up with the buyer if they fail to complete.
By notifying the authority of the change of ownership that is your only obligation as a seller apart from sighting FAL and confirming identity.
FYI there is a firearms license checking link on the authority website
https://webforms.police.govt.nz/fal#no-back

FYI if done over the phone like me you need the buyers full name, FAL number and date of birth. Very quick and easy.

What happens if it's not an online-based sale and you only have the manual contact details or they don't reply to your email? I don't see anything in the registration rules that compels you to make sure someone else does their end of it right, once you have notified the registry peoples that you've sold it and its no longer in your lawful ownership and possession it should come off your ticket - period (capital full stop).

This is the issue with the registry people being seemingly only concerned with 'possession' rather than both possession and lawful ownership, as has been noted in the real world things aren't always so black and white as they try to make us believe (shared safe between family members etc etc).

Going to have a register of guns that dissapeared

No.3 thats double edged sword....say you have GrandDads shotgun .22 and .303 he is past using them but still alive n kicking.. you have possession of them,technically he owns them still but what use AT ALL would it be having them on his ticket???
far better to be on yours,you after all are person looking after them...
back to topic... if you have on sold item....and notify police/register people of such...DO YOU NOTIFY AS TO WHO AND LICENCE NUMBER ????
that right there is a huge bit.....
and as said earlier watch this space,because if they fail to register within 30 days they have breached conditions and are liable for revocation...

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

No.3 thats double edged sword....say you have GrandDads shotgun .22 and .303 he is past using them but still alive n kicking.. you have possession of them,technically he owns them still but what use AT ALL would it be having them on his ticket???
far better to be on yours,you after all are person looking after them...
back to topic... if you have on sold item....and notify police/register people of such...DO YOU NOTIFY AS TO WHO AND LICENCE NUMBER ????
that right there is a huge bit.....
and as said earlier watch this space,because if they fail to register within 30 days they have breached conditions and are liable for revocation...

Hear what your point is - but if GrandDad is past using them, under the medical or competency standards there's a technical thing about him still being 'fit and proper' I would say. It kind of answers the question you raise... The 30-day transfer and possession requirement means it will likely end up on your ticket as well. A bit of a side line from the original question though to be fair.

The sale thing becomes a bit of a question though, you sight the purchaser's license and check it's valid on the online checker, get paid, hand the firearm over and then notify the regulator and do your bit. Regulator marks the transfer as pending, nothing after 30 days so go after the purchaser - who comes back with "Huh? not me... I didn't buy a firearm recently...". Then what?