Saw one for sale in 6.5 PRC for reasonable dollar's probably half the cost of a Weatherby anyone handled one, anything good or bad or otherwise?
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Saw one for sale in 6.5 PRC for reasonable dollar's probably half the cost of a Weatherby anyone handled one, anything good or bad or otherwise?
I have a 100. I like it. Just make sure the mag locates and presses home as it should. Do it 10 or 12 times to be sure.
Mines back at the factory hopefully being modded so the mag inserts as it should. Of the 4 rifles handled, only the rem mag had mag insert as it should.
Hope to get a solution otherwise ill get a refund and do a 'cheap' custom on a howa
Most terrible rifle I have ever had the displeasure of owning...
Had a Sako A7 upgraded to a Sauer 101XT in the cal. (.270) Now I have gone for a finnlight in a 25-06 cal. it is lighter but seems like a comedown in quality, the bolt and the factory bedding on the 101 were far superior . However I needed to add a decent recoil pad to the 101 and shorten the LOP of the stock. [The 100 is about a grand cheaper than the 101 the 202, 404 etc. are high end beautiful rifles]
care to share?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
They're terrible. The bolt has a raceway cut into it which is supposed to guide the bolt using the bolt stop. The bolt stop machining (along with the machining of the bolt itself) is sloppy as and the bolt body can actually can actually jump off the bolt stop and end up turned around in the action causing all sorts of fuckery if you're in a hurry for a second shot or just want to get the bolt out, I can't believe they made it past the design phase. There is a member on here who reviews a few things for magazines and had the same problem and I have asked to see a few in store to eliminate it just being the rifle I had and yeap all the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevodog
Did you haVe the mag problem that I've described?
Probably, I was too pissed with the bolt issue I cant remember hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by stevodog
Bit of a R and D fail
More like an R&D 'win'. Consumer research/marketing campaign design that is.
They were designed to generate revenue, not to stand shooters in good stead. So as long as people buy them, Sauer are winning.
Bolt guns were basically perfected in the early to mid 1900s. There's nothing more to change. They should be no-nonsense, rugged, and use a small number of components.
I think it worthy to define your sweeping statement with some definition. What Sauer rifle are you referring to? If you are referring to a 100 or 101 then I can understand your statement to some degree. However there are several other high class Sauers (202, 404 , 90) that were not build to mass production budgets and in my experience ( I have 3 x 202’s and 2 x 90’s) these are superb rifles that are functional, elegant and well engineered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
I put the bolt in mine in backwardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
once, the only way i could get it out was to pull the trigger out , never had it turn around during use though, shoot a few hundred rounds now. Other issue had the paint on the bottom metal/tigger guard just falls off , looks shit.
Really happy with accuracy though, trigger is nice.
Thanks guys I wont bother following up on one. Ill wait for the new Weatherby 6.5 and give that due diligence.
Have you had a go with the Sauer 404 synchro xt? The carbon fibre model. Looks pretty nice. Expensive though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Southcity
sorry to hear problems with the 100's i own 3 sauer 202 223 wolverine 25-06 and 30-06 barrels for long action also deluxe 202 flited barrel ,set trigger all are easy to shoot and group excellent
4 years old I know but fairly sure sakos are not factory bedded the 100 and the m18 are a disgraceQuote:
Originally Posted by Buzo
I have a Sauer 100 and have never experienced any of the issues mentioned above. I wonder how long ago these things happened and whether they have since been resolved by Sauer. I have tried unsuccessfully to replicate that issue with the bolt jamming.
Ditto. Those were earlier model 100s I think. I'm happy with mine and have had trouble free operation. I have no idea how people put the bolt in backwards. Even a noob like me hadn't managed that. It is the first rifle I've shot since I was 12, but I got MOA when sighting it in, which says a lot about its accuracy. The trigger is apparently one of the best factory triggers out there, and after a few boxes through it the bolt is slick and quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeropak
The cerakote wasn't as durable as I had hoped though. My only niggle.
Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.
Pleased to hear I'm not the odd one out here and that I should expect impending doom if I continue to use the Sauer. I agree the trigger out of the box is excellent, at least the equal of my Tikka. I have had no issues with the Ceracote so far, but if it happens I wont be too concerned, I expect there to be some wear in the area where the suppressor bush sits and around the bottom metal where it sits in the hand. Ceracote after all is just a surface coating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eat Meater
The only small issue I have had is that the chamber tolerances seem quite tight and the loads I use in My Tikka are a little too hot for the Sauer.
I have no plans to get another rifle, unless it's a Benelli Lupo for the wife or a cheap 22 for practice. It's my one and done. Perfectly satisfied.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeropak
Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.
"One and Done" Yeah I used to think like that, It didn't quite work I just upgraded to a 16 gun safe???Quote:
Originally Posted by Eat Meater
I have a couple of Sauer 100's now - absolutely rate them. As you guys mentioned, great trigger, smooth bolt (never had any issues or problems with it, and have never put the bolt in upside down in any rifle). They are both very accurate - the .223 is equal to my Anschutz .223 and both are better than my Tikka.
I do hear the cerakoting is a bit sub-par, mine are both blued (a fieldshoot and a classic). The new stainless ones would be worth a look!
I was given one of the XTA stainless jobbies as a factory recall replacement for the 100 ceracote I had. I prefer the stainless but I still prefer the feel in hand of my tikka.. but the sauer shoots so damn well I'd be reluctant to change it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnQT
I too have a 100 and it's a great rifle. No issues at all so far. I am however not a fan of the recoil pad, and lop is a tad too long.
So have any of you 100 owners changed out the recoil pad? Keen to hear which pad you changed to and if it was a bastard to do.
Considering upgrading from talley rings to pic rail and rings so I can offset the lop a bit.
Cheers,
Yes agreed the LOP is quite long. Fortunately I'm quite tall so it works for me. I wonder if you can turn the front Talley ring around the other way to allow the scope to come back a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Peppersteak
Sorry @Peppersteak I'm quite tall too so I find the LOP is fine for me
It's manageable as it's only slightly too long for me. I would be happy just to have a better recoil pad.
Maybe when there are more stock options I will give the rifle a birthday and get a new stock.
Cheers
I bought a limb saver pad for my Sauer 101, unscrewed the 'piece of jandal' off the butt. Not for the faint hearted but I chopped 30mm off the butt on my drop saw, there's nothing to screw the new pad to so i made a neat fitting oval out of 12mm ply for the new pad to screw into and I secured a piece of 40x20 timber about 200mm long that went up inside butt. Then I filled the butt with expanding foam and inserted this T shaped recoil pad holder into it. Theres also the thin plastic spacer too that I linished down to fit between the ply and the new pad. Worked a treat. Made a big difference much nicer to shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peppersteak
I haven’t experienced any of the problems listed above. I have a 100 classic in 6.5 PRC and it has been extremely accurate and consistent. It’s blued and that has held up as well.
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My experience was that the M18 is one of the most solid and reliable value for money rifles around. Excellent trigger, works flawlessly, V block bedding. Good solid stock. My 6.5prc was very accurate too. If I wanted a bash around rifle for on a quad or suchlike its what I would have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
I'll just chuck in another piece of info which seems to get a lot of conflicting info online. Some say the Sauer 100 barrels are press fitted, so not really viable to re barrel, others say no the barrels are threaded and screwed into the action in the standard way. I took a wee peek down the front scope base mounting hole yesterday and what I see are barrel threads. So I can categorically say the Sauer 100's do have a threaded barrel.
The first "gen" Sauer 100's were complete POS's, fucks me off that a company that make some beautiful well crafted rifles falls into the trap of making cheap shite, the 101 was ok but the 100 was terrible
I did a field test for ( the sadly now defunked ) NZ Guns n Hunting mag of a 100 in 7RM, this was the demo gun that had done a thousand miles through out the country, missing shit ( that I discovered later ) had a farken filthy barrel, then shot n feed like shit ( a bit of photo trickery & BS involved ) not really my thing
Hard to do an honest review when there's pressure to "keep the guys advertising in the mag" happy aye, then to put a spanner in the works there was a new importer / distributor taking over what was a shambles
In the end Nick & I decided to pull the article just before going to print, We both knew it was the right thing to do as I think the 2nd Gen 100's are alot better & Sauer sorted the gremlins & was under a new proper importer - agent.
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I appriciate the flip side with the above real world experience iv recently eaten my words on browning xbolts whom iv deterred people from buying for years I now own the ssa wood blue .223 and love it, a sauers unlikly to end up in my safe how ever as im a stickler for action size appropriate to cartridges and find it a funny looking rifle my work mate has a 101 wood blue in .308 on layby that im eager to load for once in hand . Of all my reading accuracy and triggers were never faulted
Yeah. A M18 in .223 would be a big brute with the long action. They are Sauer 100 clones aren't they? @Philipo had one in .223 for a wee while I recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
They share alot of parts I believe . I think the 101 and the m12 were much of a muchness as well I could be wrong how ever
Yeah Bruce I had a M18 in 223, was a very nice rifle, the long action magazine in 223 was its Achilles heal, other than that it was a really nice "buget" rifle, had a great stock, action & trigger.
I'd happily own n carry one again, thats how to make a value / budget rifle. Mauser got it bang on with the M18
Interesting thread. I think since Sauer, Mauser and Blaser came under the Lüke & Ortmeier group commercial decisions rather than quality have played a key role.
I bought my first Sauer 202 in 1991 from Hugh Bradley and was always impressed with the quality of build. ( actually went through the factory when it was Sauer and Son in Northern Germany back in the 1990’s.)
I have since bought another 2 x 202’s in high grade. I also have several caliber barrels.
I own an unfired Sauer 90 in 25.06 and Carl Gustaf 3000 ( using a Sauer 80/90 action.). All of these rifles are superb quality and in the case of the 90, innovative engineering.with its silky smooth bolt design.
The reality is people ( large scale sales) will not spend 5 to 10k on a rifle. So the 100’s and 101’s are made to a price and quality point. It’s a sad reality but cost down trends are wide spread.
For me the rifle that seems to fall under the radar is the Shultz and Larsen. I have several of these ( Legacy, Classic and Victory) and they retain their old school quality and heritage. All steel, cut rifled barrels and fantastic accuracy. And to boot a switch barrel system. They are priced well and in my opinion a worthy Danish rival to Sauer. My 2 cents worth.
I don't possess the experience of Southcity's varied arsenal but can vouch for the quality of at least one S&L - I own a Legacy in .223 and now seek another S&L chambered in 6.5x55. The Legacy is light, action smooth and accurate (when I'm in form).Quote:
For me the rifle that seems to fall under the radar is the Shultz and Larsen. I have several of these ( Legacy, Classic and Victory) and they retain their old school quality and heritage. All steel, cut rifled barrels and fantastic accuracy. And to boot a switch barrel system. They are priced well and in my opinion a worthy Danish rival to Sauer. My 2 cents worth.
I'm not complaining about my Blaser R8 quality and never is my mate for that matter I must get it back off him lol
also 6.5x68mm