Thread: savage axis, what a complete POS!

FMD, dont think i have ever experenced a bigger pile of shit, well not since i had a look at the remington 770.
oh, yea, thats rite. the marlin was absolute crap too now i think about it.
what is the go? is there some competition on between manufacturers to produse the biggist pile of shit, that still works?
i mean, i had a fella recons his 223 axis would only shoot a 6 inch group, when he gave me the rifle i noticed that he was shooting the winshitter 55g FMJ "spray and pray" ammo.
so i said i would have a look, never touched the thing just took it down the range and stuck some remington 55g factorys and honeydaze 55 "training" ammo thru it.
lent aganst the side of the car and shot a 5 shot group of each thru it and both showed a 1.1 inch group. he had a suppressor so i slapped it on and banged another 5 shots thru it, same result (besides the significant reduction in noise)
so what is it? the 17lb trigger that feels like dragging a besser block accross concrete. the bolt that, well just feels like is is ready to fall off. the stock that was made from melting down old macdonalds toys.
or the design that besides from looking like the back end of a female baboon in full estrous. feels like a cheap toy.
just what is the go? surely there is some kind of sick bet on between these yank manufacturers to produse the biggest POS that people will still buy?
i, i just dont get it?
greg

I know. It's a distressing trait amongst gun makers these days. Make it cheaper instead of better. A lot of those guns shoot ok but just don't have any soul to them

I'll second what Tussock has said. Savage do make some great rifles. They also make some horrible ones like the Axis but if it shoots well then you can't complain too much. Just don't buy one.

No other manufacturer has an off the shelf rifle that has won International F-Class matches, only Savage has.

G'Day Fella's,

Greghud, welcome to the future!
Unfortunately, there are a lot of poor buggers and Tight Wads out there, that can't afford any thing else!
This being the case Numbers Rule the final outcome!!!

Don't forget, we still have the Ruger All-American to come!

I recently got a Savage Edge (Youth Model) in for a customer, for his 10yo son.
I have to say, for $375.00 Oz + post, I was pretty impressed with the thing (visually)!

Unfortunately, You Gets What You Pays For!

Doh!
Homer

Originally Posted by Tussock

What you should be complaining about is the rifles for the NZ market are not chosen on quality, but on which models they can buy a vast quantity of at a hugely discounted price, then flog on to the NZ public at tripple the price. The importers probably paid $200 each for those horrible things. Like I said, Savages RRP is $470 NZ.

Savage makes a lot of very very nice rifles. Deluxe models, lightweights, rifles with decent composite stocks.

The NZ importers only bring in the bargain basement economy rifles in bulk, and tripple the price. Complain about them.

All you need to do is walk into a gun store (at least in Auckland) and this is very evident. Everything is "plastic fantastic" shit, which over here costs more than a damn nice rifle in the US.

I recently wanted a bolt action 22, so I walked straight past the brazilian made mossbergs, straight past the crappy starlings and marlins, straight past the savage plastic basic models and just said "I want a blue'd, wooden Savage Mk2 G. Can you get me one.". The answer I got: "No one has any at the moment. You'll have to wait for 3 months~". So I walked out with a CZ452.

At $500 the Savage Mk2 is cheap enough to just go and grab one. But in the states they're $240US D: I'd have a few for that.
It's the same deal with all the centerfire stuff. A decent gun like a Model 700 or Tikka over here is $1,200... in the states it's a fraction of that.

Do any of you guys import your own guns? Surely it's gotta save some serious dough doing that?

its not a complaint, its an observation.
i used to do some work for a company called Miele, now your opinion on $3000 washing machines, asside. their motto is translated into "forever better" they had no interest in chaceing the bottom dollar they wanted to make their products, well, forever better, price was secondary to quality, ease of use, lifespan etc.......
take a look at the axis, fair dinkum. they named it after the countrys enemy during the last world war. is that some kind of piss take?
the magazine, just have a look at it. tell me how long that mag catch is going to last? i will tell you how long. long enough to have the company taken over by an investment company who will rip shit and bust to release a cheaper model.
eventualy, they wont be able to ask for money for them they will be that cheap, shuting the factory and selling off the tooling to china.
where you gonna get the replacment mag then?
surely they can see that the race to the bottom is to be their demise?
the person who would only buy a sub $200 rifle will buy a sub $100 rifle, if it works, same if he were offered a sub $50 rifle. just how low do we want to go? free rifle with pack of ammo?
where is the PRIDE?
would the original mr savage be proud of what his company now manufacturers? doubt it.
compare it to a howa. or many others, for very little more, im sure he would be imbarrased.
greg

What brands are in your gun safe?
Rifle manufacturers cant survive on on pride. Their shareholders want a return on their investment so they produce items that sell. The market for quality rifles is small so to get volume/profit they produce budget rifles as well. Its the consumer that dictates what sells not the rifle company's. Don't like it? then don't buy it but for a lot of people its simply all they can afford .We heard all the same same bemoaning when Tikka bought out the T3.Plastic this, mag clip that etc. Turns out to be a huge selling rifle in many countries so a win for Beretta.Don't like the T3 Then don't buy it.You also hear people moaning about the newer sakos, same thing goes,don't like it? DON'T BUY IT. Choice is a great thing.
If Miele were the only option for a washing machine a lot of washing would be being done by hand.

Originally Posted by greghud

FMD, dont think i have ever experenced a bigger pile of shit, well not since i had a look at the remington 770.
oh, yea, thats rite. the MOSSBERG was absolute crap too now i think about it.
what is the go? is there some competition on between manufacturers to produse the biggist pile of shit, that still works?
i mean, i had a fella recons his 223 axis would only shoot a 6 inch group, when he gave me the rifle i noticed that he was shooting the winshitter 55g FMJ "spray and pray" ammo.
so i said i would have a look, never touched the thing just took it down the range and stuck some remington 55g factorys and honeydaze 55 "training" ammo thru it.
lent aganst the side of the car and shot a 5 shot group of each thru it and both showed a 1.1 inch group. he had a suppressor so i slapped it on and banged another 5 shots thru it, same result (besides the significant reduction in noise)
so what is it? the 17lb trigger that feels like dragging a besser block accross concrete. the bolt that, well just feels like is is ready to fall off. the stock that was made from melting down old macdonalds toys.
or the design that besides from looking like the back end of a female baboon in full estrous. feels like a cheap toy.
just what is the go? surely there is some kind of sick bet on between these yank manufacturers to produse the biggest POS that people will still buy?
i, i just dont get it?
greg

Fixed for ya nothing wrong with the X7 marlins better accuracy than other cheap budget models and atleast the trigger is adjustable my marlin is a remington made stainless and get shot touching at 100 better than the POS mossberg that I did have.

Originally Posted by hunter308

Fixed for ya nothing wrong with the X7 marlins better accuracy than other cheap budget models and atleast the trigger is adjustable my marlin is a remington made stainless and get shot touching at 100 better than the POS mossberg that I did have.

You're not wrong there. I had an XS7 in 7mm-08 a couple years back. The action was smooth, the trigger was great, and it shot ok. For the kind of rifle it is, they are pretty good.

People are happy with mediocrity. A lot of gun owners see their rifle purely as a tool to shoot sum deers and as long as it will group inside an empty beer box at a hundy its all gud ay. I'm not one of those people.

I know what your saying Greghud however, it's an entry level rifle, a cheap way to get a young bloke hunting.
A cocky mate of mine bought one for his lad, either 699 or 799 all up scoped in 223.
He had trouble sighting it in so came to me, we went to the deer stalkers range and yip, shocking
However when he later swapped out the Gun city branded scope for a New vx1 it was fine, with highland ammo
Now these people ,what they are looking for is a muck about rifle that will be of reasonable cost and will shoot with ammo they can buy at the local CRT
This rifle did all that.
It certainly won't be this young fellows last rifle and i doubt these were ever made with that in mind
It does the job for him, he shoots rabbits, possums, wallaby and has now dropped two smallish pigs with it.
he doesn't think it's a piece of shite, and , quite frankly neither do I,
I think it is exactly what it is, no pretense.
Would I buy one?
Not a bloody chance.

When you put it that way. Most people think SKS's are pieces of shit but I actually think they're a cool wee gun

Having had a 40yrs old Brno with lovely walnut stock I don't mind my Rem 700 with Shitty SPS stock. IT's a helluva lot lighter to carry up the hills and I'll carry it longer than I'll be shooting it.

Some good points of view in here, As sad as it may seem for a true rifle lover, there are a lot of people that just treat a rifle as a tool used to knock over a bit of meat for the freezer & want something that works for the least amount of money possible, for them $1000 for a gun & $300 for a scope is top end


There are however some OK rifles for under a grand, the only sub 1k rifle Ive ever owned was a Marlin X7 in 308 which I brought as a "fill in gun" & it was a good gun for the price, the bolt was basic, the stock average & it shot more than adequate ( around 1-1.5 moa ) for what it was , a good entry level center fire rifle


Some however are farken horrible eg Remy 770


But as for me I buy rifles based on the "cool factor" as I reckon life's to short to carry a poxy piece of shite

Originally Posted by Tussock

Yep lifes to short for ugly guns. However, starvation shortens it further, and not everyone can afford gun art.

A Howa action is a Sako action made in a CNC lathe with modern materials. Lots of talk about "old world engineering" but old world "engineering" was nothing flash. Old world craftsmanship on the other hand........ Nothing wrong with the "craftsmanship" from a CNC lathe. They never turn up for work with a hangover.

Howas are very nice. Mid range Savages are tidy too.

This is one of the reasons why I am using a Howa action as a base for my build.