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Looking at a .223 in one of the above, the Savage has a 9 twist barrel and the ruger a 10. Wanting something to use from bunnys to goats and maybe if one was extremely lucky a Fallow. Reloaders in Auckland have just got the Ruger in at $749 for bare rifle stainless/synthetic and fish city has the savage for $999 with weaver scope. :fighting:
Is one going to be more accurate than the other in one way or another ?
They will both shoot much of a muchness.
The Savage plastic stock is better than the Ruger plastic, but neither is great.
Savage has better trigger.
So basically whichever one feels better in the hand is the one to go for. Try to talk fish city to $900-950 would be my choice of action.
I think the savage is a little step up, and you will probably get better groups out of it. I've only shot the savage, but ive handled both. I didnt really like the plastic on either. But both stocks function well enough.
Both seem like good rigs. Either will do what you want out of it. Buy what feels nicer to you
I've only played with the savage, I love it. Can't get enough of it actually!!! Can't wait to slay my first sika with it, it's an extension of my arm.
Maybe look at scope packages bang for buck too? My savage retails $1100 I think with a weaver
Definitely the Savage! Accurate and great trigger. I have a trophy hunter in .223 with the package Weaver scope and I shoot rabbits to 400m + with Hornady training ammo :)
Savage trophy hunter with scope combo is bloody good value...
+1 for the Savage. Great wee rifle and I like the three position tang safety.
I like Savages too :) Haven't used the Trophy Hunter but have owned (still do!) and used a few other models.
Haven't tried a Ruger American, but I have a Ruger Hawkeye and the Savage action is nicer.
Found your write up on the savage Dougie, great review. :thumbsup:
Never would have guessed. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
Well, I went down to fish city and looked at the Savage. It shouldered real nice and view through scope was instant.. no having to move head at all, trigger was very light factory set and bolt was smooth to cycle. Honestly at $949 for the package deal I couldn't say no, so home it came. :thumbsup:
Still might put the 8.5-25x44 on her though, just for the hell of it.
Yeahp, givin the glowing write up scribe gave the humble 223, I might have to pop up the road and see the boys at fish city also.....
Fuk @Scribe .....what have you started??????Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
I am pleased, I have said this to a lot of people 'before you get too clever and try the smart shots make the shoulder your preferred point of aim'. It is quite close to the centre of the killing zone when a deer is standing side on and it has a good margin of error all round it. You will lose a lot of meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouser
Square on the .222/223 will break the near shoulder rip a gruesome hole through the lungs and disable the far shoulder. So ride the bullet all the way to the target, listen for the thump and look for the lurch/stumble as they feel the prick. This is important because with a bit of practice the deer's reaction will tell you what it will next as mostly there will not be much of a blood trail as the bullet will fetch up against the skin on the far side an not leave an exit hole.
If you are bush hunting listen, a deer dead on its feet will make a lot of noise, breaking branches and rolling stones it will head down hill. If you find a lighter blood trail and the animal begins to sidle its still using its brains and there is probably only a 50/50 chance of finding it. If the animal begins climbing accept the fact that most of its parts a still working fairly well and the chances of catching up with it are not that great.
Remember if you wound an animal and you probably will, its your fault not the rifles. The killing areas are exactly the same for all rifles. If you are presented with an arse shot, look to tuck your bullet behind the rib on either side. If you cant and you are going to shoot it in the arse anyway tuck the bullet right up its date and its back end will hit the ground faster than MH17.
Understand I am not recommending arse shooting I am being realistic as I know that a good few new hunters and a few experienced hunters too who will, when its presented take such a shot.
Cheers Scribe just added to my knowledge (yet again) big time.......:cool:
I have put my name down for one of the Ruger American Rifle .223 Compact - These have a 1:8 RH Twist.
ReLoaders website had it listed as a 1:10 twist and when I checked with Dan he said he had listed it wrong.
As mentioned earlier; if you are new at this - don't use a .223 on deer.
Goats, Wallabies, Hares, etc are fine but unless you are extremely confident with bullet placement and know the anatomy of a deer well, It is recommended that you use a 243 or bigger.
I use a 7mm08 for deer and this new .223 will be for wallaby & goats.
I must admit there has been many deer taken with the .223 and I am not saying don't do it - Just think about the shot before you pull the trigger.
Just my thoughts :)
The Ruger American Rifle .223 has actually a 1:8 RH barrel Twist.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwishoota
Go to the Ruger website & Check.
Dan at Reloaders advertised these two days ago and listed them with a 1:10 twist.
I pointed this out and he said that he had transcribed the specs incorrectly - 1:8 RH twist is correct.
That means that this baby is suited to a much wider range of bullet weight
I have a Compact one on order for wallabies
Out of curiosity, what trigger does the savage have? I have an American and the marksman trigger is awesome. I have used a savage Shorty with the accutrigger and it was awesome to but just the same as the marksman I thought
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All the Savages bar the Axis and the Stephens have the accutrigger. You're correct that it's similar to the marksman trigger, but the accutrigger was the original (and still the best in my opinion) of that type of trigger on a rifle.
The success of the accutrigger can probably be measured in how many other american manufacturers have copied it, Marlin with the "Pro-Fire", the "Crossfire" on the Remington 783, and Ruger with the "Marksman trigger"
Of the others, I've only used the Pro-Fire in a Marlin, and found it a very poor imitation.
cool, i've used both and found them the same so have to disagree with those that said "go for the savage as it has a better trigger" but that is just my experience and the OP has bought the savage anyway so all good.