So I am hoping that by the new year I will be able to finally get a reasonable long range target scope. What target scope options are there available in NZ besides Sightron S3? 6~24 would seem the minimum zoom, oh and who sell them?
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So I am hoping that by the new year I will be able to finally get a reasonable long range target scope. What target scope options are there available in NZ besides Sightron S3? 6~24 would seem the minimum zoom, oh and who sell them?
Zoom isnt that important 3-18 is great too unless your shooting over 1k.
Great glass is more important.
There is the new nightforce scops
Z5 swarvo
Vx6
Vortex scopes
Plenty to choose from in that price range aslong with the s3
Thanks but,
I am using the club S3 6~24 (@ $1500NZD) Im sure I dont want to go less. In terms of good glass I am not shooting in poor light and I find I'm running the x24 most of the time but its a balancing act I agree. The NF and VX6 prices I have seen so far are all 2.5k and more, just not in my price range.
Vortex, yes.
Bushnell, but only Guncity have any?
Z5 I have no prices on, but I want target turrets.
google is not being my friend, LOL, for NZ, guess I'm going to have to import.
sounds like you already have a scope you like??
Swaro for Z5 etc and the higher magnification will be all up over $2500.00 start price not many will have prices but can get them. Based on your price limit they will be out.
Hamish
It is bloody hard to go past the Sightron S3. It is a good scope at a very good price. I have the S3 SS, 6-24x50 Mil Dot which I use out to 1000 metres with my .30-06 and I am delighted with it. You get about 98-99% of the optical performance of the $5K S&B's etc, for about $1500. The scopes are well made and the adjustments are accurate. I have found that 24 power is good for accurate shooting but you need to spot at about 12 power to locate the targets quickly, then crank up the power before you shoot. 24 power gives you the ability to hold on a specific part of the target (subject to accurate calls from your spotter) rather than waste time trying to dial in minor corrections.Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
Yep, operationally, pretty much sums it up. Just about all our FTR ppl use them and have for 2~3years.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
Not really. Its mostly a case of "good enough" and what I can afford. I like the S3 6~24-50 but I might go 8~32-56 for $100 more. I dont like the S3's shallow eye relief at x24 however, its one failing. The other one for the money looks like the Bushnell elite 6500 4.5-30x50 Mil-Dot Matte Tactical, better variable range but I dont know about the glass quality of them, I'd go for glass over variable range. I am looking around for other possibilities, I have a few months yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by HNTMAD
what is your main intended use - purely target shooting or hunting?
Only target shooting in good light.Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
I dont hunt but I have a Bushnell 3x12-40 / irons / red dot if I ever got dragged along, but probably safer if I didnt carry a gun! :thumbsup:
Zeiss Hd5 . Come with target turrets. 5-25x50 I'm about to buy my second one I think they're great. Nothing wrong with the Sightrons though I really rate them too.
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You wont be spending as much this time though aye ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cartman
No...... no I won't.
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what rifle are you putting this scope onto ? IMHO spending money on a barrel is significantly better investment for FTR than a scope. then invest in decent (lapua) brass and projectiles as well as measuring equipment for reloading. scope is about the last thing I would spend money on...
there are several budget option scopes that would get you pretty competitive IF you have a decent barrel and good bedding, and the shooter does their part.
Nikko Stirling Target Master 6-24 or 8-32 both perfectly fine
Weaver T-series fixed, either 24 or 36 power
Clearidge XP5 4.5-22.5
Zeiss Conquest HD5 5-25x50mm Lockable Target Turret Riflescope NZ$1676
https://www.outdoorsupplies.co.nz/Ze...5_5-25x50.html
hmm fits budget.
as does a viper PST Vortex 6-24x50 Viper PST EBR-1 (MRAD) $1500
Vortex 6-24x50 Viper PST EBR-1 (MRAD)
So a choice of 4.
@ebf Im off nikko sterlings. Not into fixed power at x24 its a pig to get on target.
I have reloading gear, a few bits left to buy but nothing big. Currently new ADI sorted by weight but I'll probably upgrade to Lapua.
Barrel, yes it will be a match grade one, probably a shilen, lilja or Kreiger, I have upper and BCG to hand.
"last thing" yes until the next gun. :thumbsup:
How do you find the eye relief range at x25? the sightron I find has a very small band....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
I had a Sightron S3 8-32X56 was hard to beat for the money... Sold it.... STUPID move. STUPID.
Yeah I sold my Sightron SIII 6-24 and wish I didn't.
I'd advise against the 8-32, the extra magnification just isn't needed in FTR, or any shooting really.
Disagree entirely. I am now in the position, in FO at any rate of having equipment and skills equal to fellow competitors but losing out to them because they are using 80x March scopes whilst I shoot with a 32x SIII and a 25x VX. Sure they don't get to shoot that often on 80x, mostly back around 45x - 60x except of course when mirage is bad. They have a huge advantage over me. With my VX at 25x I am aiming with reasonable definition at the 6 ring or at the super vee whilst they are aiming inside the super vee. Most of my FTR buddies are shooting 42x some 32x.
Buy the most powerful scope you can afford, as long as the optics are up to it. You can always crank down but you cannot crank up if you haven't got the magnification available.
Well it means sweet fuckall if you can see inside the 6 ring, but the whole shooter and rifle combo is unable to hold a group to that level of prescision...
If you truly hit the limit of a 24 power scope, then by all means get something with higher magnification,but I guarantee you that the majority of f-class shooters in NZ are not shooing at that level...
Probably less than10 guys in the country able to shoot anywhere near that level (in a regular, repeatable way) at least the ones willing to put their names on the line and rock up for regional and national comps....
@zimmer, which club do you shoot at? Whatawhata or Otorahanga ? Did you do either of those club champs or Hamilton F-class champs past season ?
Yes @ebf I will agree about the rank and file but for the winning shooters it's now about super vees. Super vees are attained by aiming for them not just getting them by chance because you have a high percentage of your shots falling within the 6 ring. You yourself have shot in Oz and will have seen the type of equipment they are using and their results (I can post an equipment list from the Queens) and know that their level of performance is the goal, if you are competitive shooters. And it is the goal or else why would the reasonable numbers of shooters (>10) trip around regional champs and got to Belmont and Camp Perry as per recently. And at the end of the day we all want to win don't we?Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
Of course all this means nix for the average Sat arvo club shooter. If that is what people are happy to be buy a cheap low powered scope, but don't bother having a good rifle, perfectly loaded ammo, great technique because without good strong optics the rest listed earlier is a wasted investment. A good (suitable) scope is just a part of the total complete package.
Until a year ago was shooting at both Franklin and Akarana. Used to do the rounds of Whangarei and South Auckland Champs years ago in my fullbore days. Unfortunately due to a number of reasons, including health, have dropped out of the F Class scene. Getting most of my kicks now out of playing with my 22 Hornet and my 223. Still keep and eye on FO and FTR results though. Seeing shooters like yourself coming to the fore with good results plus clubs like Whangarei going from strength to strength. Still have several very capable FO rifles sitting in the safe but if I did get keen again I would build up an FTR class rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
@ebf I actually dropped in for a look see at Whatawhata champs on the way back from down the island. Later saw in the results that you had shot there. Next time I will seek you out and introduce myself. Cheers
Turning into an interesting discussion this... Bit off the original topic, but hey.
Zimmer, post the QRA equipment list if you want, I do not think it supports your argument.
Over the last 3 years I have had guys tell me:
You can't load accurate ammo using Lee dies
You can't be competitive using an Omark
You have to use a $4k March scope to be a top shooter
You can not get consistent powder loads using a beam scale.
And my response... BULLSHIT :D
The faster people stop blaming equipment and start looking at their own skills and application of the fundamentals of shooting, the better their scores will be.
Are you honestly saying that the top FO guys have the ability to judge wind at 1/8moa or better leveL ? The super V is only 0.5 MOA, changing from a dead centre hold to the x-ring is 1/4 MOA. You can do this with a 24 or 32 power scope...
What I saw in Oz is that there is significantly more competition, and that breeds improvement like nothing else. The level of gun handling (i.e. pure shooting fundamentals amongst their f-class guys is much higher) and their approach to load development and tuning is also more mature.
In my experience (over a few different shooting disipilnes) the top shooters could win with a piece of water pipe nailed to a 4x2 (I think you get my drift).