Scope for medium range shooting: recommendations please.

I sold the S&B PMII that I had on my Howa,it was too much scope for what I was doing and made the rifle feel top heavy.Here are my criteria for what I want for distances out to 500m in a 308 win.

1)Fairly light weight (one inch tube is fine)

2)Dial up turrets with zero stop

3) illuminated recticle

4) Up to X16 magnification.

I tend to stick to European glass,although Vortex seems to have decent reviews so I wont count it out.

I have the funds from the PMI to spend plust I sold some other gear I wasnt using,so the budget is pretty healthy for this purchase,\.

A z5 swaro or a lightweight 30 mm scope. Vx5 2-10x or similiar. These will be a bit heavier though.


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Swaro Z5 2.4x12i add a custom turret and job tidy

I've got a VX6 2-12 LR Firedot sat here which I was planning to put on the boys 243, but I have decided being a young fella it will get ruined.
PM me if keen

Vortex would be ok on a slingshot or child’s toy

Even then it’s not that great

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Originally Posted by Blackmac

I've got a VX6 2-12 LR Firedot sat here which I was planning to put on the boys 243, but I have decided being a young fella it will get ruined.
PM me if keen

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Thanks but the postage would kill it. I live in Norway

Two votes for the Swaro,any one else got any feedback on Kahles or S&B?

I have a Kahles on my 8X57 and had a Meopta which was very bright for the money. I just have no experience with their dial up scopes.

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Originally Posted by 7mmsaum

Vortex would be ok on a slingshot or child’s toy

Even then it’s not that great

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Originally Posted by norsk

Two votes for the Swaro,any one else got any feedback on Kahles or S&B?

I have a Kahles on my 8X57 and had a Meopta which was very bright for the money. I just have no experience with their dial up scopes.

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There are some newer kahles 1” tube scopes. Kahles Helia 3 is the model. They go a 3-12 x 42 with different turret and reticule options. Pricing here is stupid but maybe better in Norway. Would be a nice scope.


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Not European, may be a bit heavy?

HELOS BTR GEN2 2-12×42 AHMR2 FFP IR MIL
HELIX HD-2-16×50 SFP

Im a big fan of Kahles. The Helia 3 looks like it fits the criteria nicely.

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Im a big fan of Kahles. The Helia 3 looks like it fits the criteria nicely.

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Yup I am a big Kahles fan too and have had a few - still have a 3-9 x 42 with the 4D reticle which is a great little scope. The new 3-12 x 42 with the ballistic turret option looks pretty nice eh?

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Originally Posted by Magnetite

Not European, may be a bit heavy?

HELOS BTR GEN2 2-12×42 AHMR2 FFP IR MIL
HELIX HD-2-16×50 SFP

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I've got a 2-12 helos, and for the money it is fantastic value, and the reticle is superb for shooting animals. It is a little chunky though, and may or may not fit the form factor he has in mind. I'd buy another in a heartbeat.

Norsk said he has a bit of money though, so I'd recommend a 3-24 March with a FML reticle. I know he said 16x was enough, so just don't wind the x's past there. It is light, absolutely reliable, the reticle rocks and the glass is really good.

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Originally Posted by Magnetite

Not European, may be a bit heavy?

HELOS BTR GEN2 2-12×42 AHMR2 FFP IR MIL
HELIX HD-2-16×50 SFP

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I've got a 2-12 helos, for the money it is fantastic value, and the reticle is superb for shooting animals. It is a little chunky though, and may or may not fit the form factor he has in mind. I'd buy another in a heartbeat.

Norsk said he has a bit of money though, so I'd recommend a 3-24 March with a FML reticle. I know he said 16x was enough, so just don't wind the x's past there. It is light, absolutely reliable, the reticle rocks and the glass is really good.

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Originally Posted by 7mmsaum

Vortex would be ok on a slingshot or child’s toy

Even then it’s not that great

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Interesting That I found the same. I bought one when I was in the states and they were first being pushed in NZ. because they were meant to be the new leupold but better. Instead it was just not as good with even worse low light ability if that could be possible.

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Interesting That I found the same. I bought one when I was in the states and they were first being pushed in NZ. because they were meant to be the new leupold but better. Instead it was just not as good with even worse low light ability if that could be possible.

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Viper or Razor series though?
Their products are significantly tiered by range and therefore also performance & price. All too often this is not mentioned when comparing like for like.

Zeiss Conquest V4 4x16x44 or 4-16x50.

I recently bought a Meopta Meosport 3-15 and have found it excellent. I used it in a comp out to 750meters and couldn't fault the dialing capabilities of it.
Price is good, glass is amazing, Milrad turrets, Illuminated, just a good all round scope. the only thing that doesn't tick the box for you is it is a 30mm tube, and therfore a bit heavier. However, if you can get past that, it's an excellent option worth looking into

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Viper or Razor series though?
Their products are significantly tiered by range and therefore also performance & price. All too often this is not mentioned when comparing like for like.

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Viper from memory. I didnt keep it, and was comparing it too my lower end Leupold.

S&B Klassik 3-12 with P3 reticle ?

No dialing so you’ll have hold over which will start to get tricky past 350m.
But considerably lighter than the PMII and has similar feel and some toughness.

S&B do make a range of fancy hunting scopes now by mostly as big as the PM II and Steiner would be the other brand to look at.

I will be very interested to see what you end up with @norsk. I am going through a similar discussion with myself at the moment and can't quite find the perfect scope. The balance of weight/magnification and illumination is a tricky one. The rifle I am looking at changing the scope on is currently wearing a 3-9x42 Kahles which weighs 477gms with Talleys rings and keeps the rifle to a very nice 3kgs. I think I want more magnification, and I would like illumination and dial up. The Z5i sort of ticks all those boxes or another VX5 but the weight is getting up. Maybe the 4-12x Kahles (not sure what they cost) but is 12x enough magnification?
First world problems eh.

The scope is for my Reindyr gun,because you can only hunt them between 7am and 7pm low light ability is not a crucial requirement. illuminated recticle is really nice because you might be picking a animal off on the edge of a flock and their coat and background are a similar colour,pretty dark and not hard to loose the cross of a recticle in.

I dont have brilliant eyesight,because I wear glasses hunting I think it somehow takes the edge off optical brilliance in a scope.I found my S&B scopes not as bright as my Meopta,the PMII was built like a tank but I didnt feel the glass was anything really special. I personally cant tell the difference between a Swaro and a Meopta just by looking through it.Kahles is nice and bright with that awesome bright red dot in the aiming point if you want it.

I cover alot of ground when hunting Reindyr,once I think we did 200km cross country over 5 days ,then carried 80 odd kilo 20 km out again.I dont get heavily invested in the super light weight trend but at the same time its not worth carrying more weight than you need to.

Bit of an update o this old thread.

I just bought a ex demo Meopta R1 1.7-6x 42.

I dribbled all oer the Swaro and Zeiss offerings but for my eyesight Meopta has the best glass.
Ballistic turrets didn't really have the importance I formerly believed because Reindyr hunting you will have enough time to take the scope cap off and dial up using the regular turret.

The illum in the scope is really nice,it has an off position between power settings.

All in all its a basic robust scope with excellent glass for a snip at $800 NZD.

Here is the scope,its light enough and although the reticle isn't my first choice,I won't notice it with the dot on a Reindyr buck.

I can get ballistic turrets for $300 if I just can't live without them.

Hi Norsk!
Considering the requirements in your opening post you went for something totally different. 6 magnification out to 500 meters?
Hope that you are happy with your new scope! Post a few pics from your reendeer hunts please!

cheers Littlemorepork

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Hi Norsk!
Considering the requirements in your opening post you went for something totally different. 6 magnification out to 500 meters?
Hope that you are happy with your new scope! Post a few pics from your reendeer hunts please!

cheers Littlemorepork

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That's the thing,I think I just became too used to alot of magnification. X6 is enough on a hunting rifle for me I think.

If I got caught shooting a Reindyr at 500m I would end up in court.

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Thanks for the pics Norsk, I love that open country!