Thread: semi auto rimfire for hares and bunnies ?????

Ruger outbthe box is the most reliable
The easiest to feild strip which is very important with semis
But the triggers are horrible and as a result they are not very accurate
But with a few mods they can be very good reliable and accurate
Change the trigger and the barrel

If you want something out of the box you can’t beat marlin
But i prefer the ruger action and it’s simplistic Design so I would prefer to modify a ruger than a marlin
Also if you want the real good one its the model 60 which is a pain if there’s alot to shoot
Easier just to have another mag in your pocket

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

Ruger outbthe box is the most reliable
The easiest to feild strip which is very important with semis
But the triggers are horrible and as a result they are not very accurate
But with a few mods they can be very good reliable and accurate
Change the trigger and the barrel

If you want something out of the box you can’t beat marlin
But i prefer the ruger action and it’s simplistic Design so I would prefer to modify a ruger than a marlin
Also if you want the real good one its the model 60 which is a pain if there’s alot to shoot
Easier just to have another mag in your pocket

There is only one point here that I disagree with and that it is the easiest to strip. Most semi autos require the action to be removed from the barrel to be stripped and cleaned. The Toz 99 does not. It can be disassembles (action parts all removed completely from the rifle without removing the stock and WITHOUT tools.)

The 10/22 design is well recognised and executed. However for a long period from the 90s through to the mid 2000s their quality control suffered. I had one of these ones and it shot over a 5 inch group at 25 metres. I was actually getting a tighter group from my Baikal U/O shotgun.

Magazines A+
ability to alter and modify A+

need to modify to get accuracy - very possible. I run an Izhmash semi, and though hard to get, they shoot exceptionally well but are not everyones cup of tea. If accuracy and quiet performance is important to you, get a bolt action. What ever you intend to spennd on semi auto, a bolt of the same value will be a much better proposition. CZ 452 or 455, Toz 78, or if you can find one and EM332..... (There is a reason we sold out of the Toz bolt actions.....)

Originally Posted by timattalon

There is only one point here that I disagree with and that it is the easiest to strip. Most semi autos require the action to be removed from the barrel to be stripped and cleaned. The Toz 99 does not. It can be disassembles (action parts all removed completely from the rifle without removing the stock and WITHOUT tools.)

The 10/22 design is well recognised and executed. However for a long period from the 90s through to the mid 2000s their quality control suffered. I had one of these ones and it shot over a 5 inch group at 25 metres. I was actually getting a tighter group from my Baikal U/O shotgun.

Magazines A+
ability to alter and modify A+

need to modify to get accuracy - very possible. I run an Izhmash semi, and though hard to get, they shoot exceptionally well but are not everyones cup of tea. If accuracy and quiet performance is important to you, get a bolt action. What ever you intend to spennd on semi auto, a bolt of the same value will be a much better proposition. CZ 452 or 455, Toz 78, or if you can find one and EM332..... (There is a reason we sold out of the Toz bolt actions.....)

Only thing that bugs me with the Toz is not having a hold open on the bolt. Easy as to strip down and remove but a hassle when your in a hurry and want to run a snake through it.

Originally Posted by Steve123

Only thing that bugs me with the Toz is not having a hold open on the bolt. Easy as to strip down and remove but a hassle when your in a hurry and want to run a snake through it.

I would agree with you on that point. A bolt hold open of some sort would be good. But with it being so easy to remove the action for cleaning not really a deal breaker in most cases.

Originally Posted by timattalon

I would agree with you on that point. A bolt hold open of some sort would be good. But with it being so easy to remove the action for cleaning not really a deal breaker in most cases.

Agreed, seems hardly any .22LR's have bolt hold opens. Don't know why?