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Schmeisser A4, heavy barrel 1 in 9" twist
Only a mid length 16", so down on speed a bit compared to the 20" barrels.
Has A2 flash hider now
Need to add on A2 pistol grip
New scope will be either Vortex Spitfire x3 or Trijicon 3x30 (currently has a variable 3-9x40)
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F**king forbidden 403 shit.
"Heavy contour barrel"
Ah cool, exactly the info Im looking for....though I'll be cat A.
David from Reloaders Auckland, quoted me a sharp price for a Windham Armoury in 18 or 20" bull-barrel with A2 butt-stock and grip except the handguard as they do not come A2 standard anymore. I almost handed my credit card over but couldn't justify another AR that soon...:XD:Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
Im more in the hunt for an AK rather than another AR.
AK's great, it's what I use for SR - just wish that the charging handle was angled up like a R4's.
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How sharp?Quote:
Originally Posted by furstimer
Reloaders have Windam for about $2.2k on the website not a bad price, so how much sharper?
Just be aware a bull barrel will put you into open class, which might be what you want, ie variable power scopes, free float barrel, match triggers etc.
I found it cheaper to go 'standard' with my original set up, as the A2 pistol grip, flash hider, hand guard and new scope was all I had to add.
16" barrel is fine at 100-300m, but 20" barrels will come to the fore for 500-600m.
Didn't think middy's would be allowed in standard class?
Middy is open I think using the advantage ruling.
My set up-tho building a 20" that will have a elcan
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Res, what advantage is there?
No mention in the Match Code about AR barrel length or gas system.
Vs a rifle length 20" barrel, the mid length 16" is at a disadvantage for 300m plus. No difference closer, as weight will depend on permitted barrel profile.
Vs a rifle length 20" barrel, a carbine 14" or 16" is at a disadvantage for 300m plus. No difference closer, as weight will depend on permitted barrel profile.
So no advantage to be gained
ELIGIBILITY
All firearms that meet Equipment standard, section E1 will be eligible to
compete in the New Zealand Service Rifle Championship. In the event of
dispute concerning a rifle or part the “advantage” rule is applied, i.e. is any
advantage gained by use of the rifle or part over the accepted standard form
of that firearm?
AR15:
NB: “standard” refers to features and or parts identical (fire control components to be NZ
legal for an MSSA) to those that make up such rifles as the military issue Bushmaster
shown. Any acceptable variation from the “standard” is detailed below. Under no
circumstances will National Match or accuracy enhanced models be considered as
standard regardless of their use in other countries by military or civilian agencies
Upper Receiver: A1, A2 or Flat Top A3/A4. No Match style, high rise, or similar receivers
allowed. Milspec standard A1/A2 style charging handles only.
Lower Receiver: A1/A2 style with standard Milspec controls. No extended magazine, bolt
or safety levers. A left handed safety may be fitted if it is the same type as the safety on
the right hand side of the rifle. Magazine wells may not be modified.
Barrel: No stainless or match/target use intended barrels allowed. Chamber is to be 5.56
NATO, SAAMI STD .223 Remington or a chamber that will feed all Milspec ammo. Barrel
diameter is based on A1, A2 or commercial A2 HBAR styles. The Front sight block must be
of the A1/A2 design and be pinned to the barrel. Twist rates from 1/7 to 1/12 are
acceptable.
Stocks: A1, A2 and CAR/M4 butt stocks are acceptable. Hand guards may be A1, A2 or
Knights Armament RAS style fore ends. Free floating of the barrel is not permitted. Pistol
grip is to be A1 or A2. Hogue and other accessory pistol grips are not allowed.
Trigger: Milspec standard A1/A2 style with a single stage release; no match single or 2
stage triggers may be fitted. Note: pull weight for a standard AR15 trigger is 5.5-8 pounds.
No aftermarket spring kits or lightened components allowed
Magazine: Any capacity up to 30 rounds. Magazine must not be modified to allow hand
loaded ammunition to be seated further out. New style anti tilt followers and Mag-Pull
bases are acceptable.
Open Sights: A1/A2 sights, flat top receivers may use a carrying handle sight or a clip on
Milspec type of sight. Front post must be a minimum of 0.050 inch and rear peephole sizes
are to be no smaller than A2 Milspec standard. Sights that co-witness with an Aimpoint
style scope are acceptable. Fibre optic or “Hi Viz” type front posts are not acceptable.
Scope Mount: Any commercial or military mount that attaches to the receiver is
acceptable. Mounts that attach to the carrying handle and place the optic in front of the
receiver and just above the hand guards are acceptable.
I'm very happy to be wrong on this as I'm keen as for sr to be as inclusive as posable.
My understanding is that the who point of a mid length gas system is that it's softer shooting than a carbine length system,and that is an advantage-but I take your point that it's still at a disadvantage to a rifle length system.
Ok so what I am hearing is that you really want a 18-20" barrel?
Yea,a 20 comes into it's own for the longer shoots if your into that. But most club shoots around the country are 300m and under so don't feel you need a 20" to play or win.
You also have to consider if it's your only ar and if your going to use it for other things-most people with a sr class ar have another for hunting/3gun. If your only going to have one ar(yea right-they multiply like rabbits) I personally wouldn't make it conform to sr class rules as open/tactical are large and growing classes and having free float hand guards etc really helps for busting bunnys,goats etc-don't forget that sr class also governs what ammo you can use so if you just want to load/buy one load and sight in for it for hunting as well as range play your going to be in open even if your rifle is 100% service class.
There is no need to over think it- build/buy the gun you want and you will be very welcome at service events-at club level the classes matter very little to most people. Shoot and have fun
I thought I would wade in on this one. A mid length gas system would not necessarily put you in open class. When we wrote the rules the mid length gas system was quite uncommon, so SMC needs a revamp as we try to be inclusive rather than exclusive. If we apply the advantage rule and say is it an advantage over the best setup gun in the class (Probably a 20' barreled HBAR) then the answer is definitely no it is not so by that rationale it would be fine.
We are seeing a lot more chaps turning up with carbines and an Aussie won with one a few years back and renown SR shooter Gedz is currently harvesting medals like the Jamaican Sprint team whenever he turns up with his carbine. That said the 20 inch offers better velocity which equals less wind drift and the rifle length gas system is softer shooting than either carbine or mid length. So build what you like and remeber is not the gun its the nut behind the butt.
All good information - just trying getting my around this stuff. Anyone running a lightweight barrel?
I'm sure people are but weight helps keep you on target
