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I was hoping he might add to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by akaroa1
From memory it was because it was cheap and clunky feeling. Doesn't really help the Kel-Tec that he likes the finer things in life and just because it might do the job isn't enough.
It was more of a novelty for me that had no real purpose. Bullets come out the correct end.Quote:
Originally Posted by akaroa1
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I'm using a Thompson Contender (older original style, sometimes referred to as a G1) with 30-30 barrel, a DPT suppressor, and Bushnell red dot on top. Done away with the plastic foregrip to reduce weight, DIY carbon fiber tube to replace it. Barrel fluted, length just over minimum. Weight 4.5 pounds as you see it in pics. Can take it anywhere!
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Getting around 1" at 75m. Haven't really given it a good thrashing yet. Build quality of metal is very good. Pivot is tight and a very positive lockup.Quote:
Originally Posted by viper
i would assume any problems in the original build quality/design would have been fixed by the gunsmith when it was rebarrelled . . . . so not representative of original factory Rossi's
The barrel is an original re-bored and rifledQuote:
Originally Posted by rossi.45
dont tell me the original method of attaching the forend was left alone . . . that would be criminal
a bloody great weld to the bottom of the barrel to attach the nut which the takedown screw went into, fcking crazy.
mine pulled the barrel down into a low spot in the forend which needed to be filled before i got decent accuracy, a common problem to them.
yep
Most factory Rossis haven't got straight barrels( or at least the outside contour wobble around the bore). That does not mean they can't shoot alright. Bergeras tend to be a bit more consistent. Baikals are good as well.
they can shoot there is no doubt if you want to tinker around or your expectations arent very high . . . good enough for most shooters
My motorbike rifle- Baikal .270, barrel cut back to 20". I wanted a .308 and would of cut the barrel back more but none were available at the time. Added the DPT & Weaver rail mount, polished up the trigger. Does around 1.25 Moa for 3 shots but is quite picky on what it likes. Suppressor keeps the recoil manageable and the balance right too. Added some non-slip grip tape to the action to stop my hand from going numb in cold weather.
Could definitely lose some weight in the action area, they are built like a Russian tank. Length of pull is very good for me- I'm over 6ft and 114kg. Weight as pictured is 3.7kg.
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Mate, very cool, it's along the lines of what I am looking at. I will go 308, I have always loved eastern block guns and I really don't know why but for some reason the things are rough as guts but appeal.
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Originally Posted by joelhenton
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I think reloaders supplies in Onehunga had the 308s. We ran out some time back and only have the 7.62x39 left. I have seen one in .303 which I have to presume was a re-chambered 7.62x39 and I saw one advertised in 7.62x54R for those that enjoy recoil.....I would think that may be a re-chamber as well but being a rusky calibre who knows.....Quote:
Originally Posted by viper
If going subsonic the 7.62x39 case is big enough but the recipe for accuracy (bullet weight / composition) seems to be a challenge. The tapered, rimmed calibres like 303 or 7.62x54R are a really good shape for this style of action.
Any of you guys with the Rossi's, run subsonic loads, particularly in 44mag? Did the twist rate stabilize the projectiles?
Mine is stablising .430 270gr hollowpoints from @shooternz ok. Its doing just under 1" groups at 50 yards, which is fine for me as I don't intend to shoot further than 100 with the subs. I have yet to try it since the barrel chop though so will have to see if its still ok, have gone from 22" down to just over 15".
Cheers @Guypie
To answer the original question, the baikals are built tough, reasonbly accurate (the one I had years ago shot around 1.5inch groups) the triggers are pretty average, heavy with alot of creep. Apart from that good value for the money.
Anyone got a single shot they want to pass on before I go and start a new project?....
Only looking to shoot out to 150m prefer 30cal and running subs hough I am interested to know what a 44mag would do to a whitetail at 100m :sick:
Just found a better load for this Baikal, using a 130 VLD. She's a sub m.o.a shooter now.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRST
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This isn't single shot, but broke down to fit on a day pack.
I've since taken off the 5.56x45 11.5" barrel and put on a 6.5 Grendel barrel, so doesn't fit in the day pack anymore.
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I think I have an extra dolas barrel qd setup if you want to make it fit in your pack againQuote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
Thanks anyway, its now a heavier build all over and I've moved on from the concept.
This KelTec 223 is a lightweight and 1 pin pushed out with a bullet nose and it folds and even fits nicely in bag with moderator still attached.
Replaced the Mags as factory mags were crap - takes any AR15 Mag - its based on the AR15 apparently.
Was thinking selling this - but might keep as its very handy and compact if on the likes of the Dingy - bag slings over shoulder good and can sit with it on back too
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Dama dama..... THE GOOD OLD Rusky doesnt have to be carried with rifle cocked relying on a safety at all..... you can decock it just as easy and safely as rifle with exposed hammer,then simply squeeze cocking lever back up to make it ready to go again.... we do this with rifle and shotguns to great effect.
I really rate them as solid work horse guns.
Micky Duck, I stand corrected and good to note. Overall I agree with your comment on them being a solid work horse. The scope mounting system remains an issue I can't get over. But would not rule out getting one and running an aperture sight.
scopemount issue is easy and cheap to fix....for under $50 you buy an airgun base that has 4 allen key grub screws that hold base onto the tiny dovetail provided on rifle and your scope sits neatly in the rings above lined up nice and straight as its a one piece jobbie.
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Originally Posted by Dama dama
We have a few options in these if it helps. I have a few chioces in these types of mounts. There is a forward / rearward offset one that fits well depending on where you want the scope and these handle the compact scopes too. As mentioned there is a few different airgun mounts (some higher than others) that do the tick too, Best of all, a lot of these options are around the $35 mark and work very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
The issue I have with the scope mounting systems, and this is personal opinion of course, is that none offer a low scope mounting option. The scope sit up really high, and then combine this with the drop on the stock and its all very awkward, at least for me.
I like high combs or straight stocks and I stick to low power scopes (i.e. small) that I can use in the lowest mounts I can get.
To me the Baikal just works well as a open sighted rifle. I like the bergara single shot as it suits my preferred scope mounting system.
That said, I wouldn't pooh pooh anyone who put a scope on a Baikal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeF1JO7Ki8E
Some of them can get quite low but these can require a smaller scope than may want... Using the rail otion at the bottom, you can fit much lower rings, but bear in mind that normal length scopes will start to contact the rear open sight if it is not removed.
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yip that top one is what Ive used on 2 of them with good results..... if you put a scope with small front end glass (like a 1x5 power) on they go really well as rear sight not an issue.
I have a black plastic Baikal .308 that I will never part with, it goes nearly everywhere with me, great for when I go on holiday with the missus I can sneak off for a morning hunt.
Its a good shooter which I also use as my mountain bike rifle, butt in backpack, barrel tied along top of frame, mint, it kills deer.
Use a cheap $20 on Trademe 1 piece air rifle mount like Tim Talons top picture, it takes 10 minutes with a file and wood chisel owwww! to modify.
I am waiting delivery on another the same but in .222 which I just bought on trade me I am sure it will also be a keeper.
Just because you cant read about Baikal in American mags and forums doesnt mean they are not great with a little loving.
Generally you must full length size and close the action briskly otherwise the safety interlocking thingy slows the firing pin going forward and causes misfires.
You can decock the action and safely carry loaded and squeeze the lever to recock when you have identified your target, take the stock off and have a look for yourself. The internal hammer is some millimetres back from the firing pin when decocked.
These are hunting rifles and like nearly all singleshots they will string vertically after 10 or so shots which can confuse and exasperate on heavy range sessions, take your time and enjoy.
Cheers Peter
OK the .222 plastic Baikal arrived and its very accurate and nice to shoot.
It took about an hours work for me to polish the trigger and hammer with a square fine oilstone from George Henrys and a final polish with 1200 grit wet and dry. I put a strip of 6mm thick rubber in the bottom of these plastic stocks barrel channel, this seems to be the best way to bed them.
It shoots really well despite the currently fitted Bushnell Banner 4 x 32 shotgun scope with about 2 MOA crosshairs, it shoots about 1 MOA or 29mm at 100metres. the little .222 cartridge full of AR2206H doesn't heat up the light barrel like my .308 Baikal does so there is no sign of the generally typical single shot rifle vertical stringing after several shots.
This one is a keeper too.
Cheers Peter
I'm going to go down this path too, for years I was going to get a real "Kipplauf" like @stug 's very nice Blaser, however too much money in one rifle for me . . .
I'm pretty sure mine is going to be a Baikal, but I the only ones I have had in hand are wood stock jobbies and the 243 I have my eye on is a plastic stock. Any thoughts on the Baikal plastic stock, is it serviceable enough ??
They are like any other low cost plastic stock, cheap n nasty but extremely practical, and nigh on indestructible. You'll have more issues keeping the blued surfaces from rusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tentman
Personally I would try find the wood stock and re-shape it as fits you, a lot of "meat" to play with. The shape and finish on them from factory ain't the best and a rasping/sanding and refinishing makes a big difference. Believe it or not I even "bedded" the back of the tang on mine as there was a noticeable gap. Don't think it actually improves accuracy but I wanted to limit moisture/crud getting down in there. Bit o' walnut stain and some tru-oil and the thing looks pretty good I reckon. Even added a butt cap to improve the vertical grip (for me anyway). Although I have zero experience with the plastic stock ones so....Pretty much a pointless reply, sorry.
Just checking - is this accepted wisdom?Quote:
Originally Posted by 310cadet
It was with mine, they have a rebounding hammer mechanism . . .
Best scope rail I have found is Weaver TO-10 intended for Winchester 9422 lever action.
It is very low profile and converts 3/8 dovetail to standard Weaver.
As the Baikal is has a 11mm dovetail I used a spacer on each side.
The spacer is the stainless steel strips you get with windsreen wiper blades.
Its a bit brutal but with the barrel off the action fit a spacer into each side of the TO-10 adapter and slide it onto the barrel dovetail, now the fun bit, you hammer the adapter until it bottoms out at the front of the dovetail. Hack saw and file the surplus off level with the breech face.
Looks very tidy, as low as possible and is super durable, oh and cheap.
yes it is perfect..just make sure to hold it closed when recocking...... if you unsure of safety aspect,take off buttplate,insert long flatblade screwdriver up butt holeQuote:
Originally Posted by Strummer
NO NO NO
the shotguns hole in stock you kinky thing you!!!!
unscrew and slide off the buttstock...then have a tootoo with cocking lever so you can see how it works...
then put it back together again (Im not telling you how to do that bit,still shocked from last episode!!!!)
Yeah you can. In the USA they are sold as Remington Spartans.Quote:
Originally Posted by 310cadet
