Got the vetting officer coming around . What's the rules please ? Do I need to store bolts separate from rifles ? And does my ammo need to be in a locked box ?
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Got the vetting officer coming around . What's the rules please ? Do I need to store bolts separate from rifles ? And does my ammo need to be in a locked box ?
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I'm sure someone will know but I have my ammo in a separate metal tool box bolted to the floor, which was passed by the vetting officer. Curious at what point handholds turn from components to ammunition? Once the bullet is seated is my guess, but since you don't need a licence for the components do you need to lock them up?
Yep to both, bolts separate from rifles, but can be with ammo. and locked up.
Yes your ammo must be locked up somehow, and yes ideally store your bolts locked separately from your rifles. Obviously this doesn't apply to semi-autos, but if your guns did get stolen chances are they will only be stealing steel pipes, not ready to use firearms.
Just show common sense so you don't have shit all over the place which someone could lightly, and quickly, grab off you.
I store all my bolts (and mags) separately even semi-autos, in fact especially semi-autos. The police and crims only seem to take interest in semis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
It's my understanding that the arms act requires that ammunition be stored separately, but doesn't necessarily need to be under lock and key.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsey
EDIT: I notice now that the act doesn't make any mention of requirements for storage?
Never had my ammunition checked. They only check firearms security.
As long as it is stored away from your safe you should be all good.
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The cop who did my security check very recently, was telling me that he had just done an inspection where the guy had all of his bolts and ammo stored in his pantry, cunningly disguised as weetbix etc.
Mr plod was very impressed with his set up
All good until late your Mrs throws out what she's thinking stale weet Bix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
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Originally Posted by R93
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Or if some thieving scum breaks into your house , and decide to take all your food in the cupboards and freezer ..... which is happening more and moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Munsey
yup, after allot of years in the alarm industry i agree with this. they also do think like piss in your fridge and shit on your bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by seano
hang the f...ing lot of them !
Yeah, there's NO legal requirement for you to have bolts seperate, and there's no legal requirement for your ammo to be locked away. Ammo in a cupboard inside and guns in a safe in garage is good.
Obviously if you can why not do the other stuff too?
But don't feel like you have to if you really can't afford to.
Ammo in a weet bix box... Have to be a damn big box!
Like that post on one of the local facebook buy n sells a few weeks back - 3 tikkas of various calibres with no bolts,only wants a hundy or so each. post only lasted 10 mins then was removed. Didn't sound at all dodgy..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
I couldn't find any guidance on ammo storage other than separate from firearms. I have my ammo in a metal toolbox with a padlock on it. No sure if that's good enough or not. The firearms officer had no interest in seeing it.
All my ammo now lives in the A cat safe that was vacated when Mr E cat safe moved in. Then I am in Auckland and there are a lot of thieving pricks around. As far as I understand it, the bolts can live with the rifles (mine do) but ammo has to be kept separate, and not somewhere kids can find it. That might mean in a weetbix box, a locked desk drawer, top shelf of the wardrobe, whatever.
I leave bolts in guns, and some guns that practically impossible to replace mags have the mag in them as well. Misplacing irreplaceable stuff sucks and I never want to do it again.
My lest secure storage is e cat level so that may affect my thinking.
As jexla has said there is no need to lock up ammo, I believe it just has to be separate from the guns-hence the separate lock box in some safes.
I do lock up a lot of my ammo as it just sensible to keep it out of the way, but I also have stacks or ammo cases and ammo can under a work bench-I do plan to buy/build a another cabinet to hold it all as my children get able to open such things.
Storage betters do seem to try and tell some people some funny stories about what they should do-often it's not law but just opinion.
Tldr: it's good to lock ammo up but you don't have to
i had mine in locked plastic toolboxes in the garage (separate to house). and that was fine. evil tart sure got nasty when i would not list what A cats i owned
I store bolts, ammunition and rifles separated. Bolts are in a locked cashbox hidden in house.
Ammunition and rifles are in locked separate A-cat safes separate from house. Reloading powder is locked with ammo.
Basically I want to make life as difficult as possible for theives while not too inconvenient for me.
Leaving bolts in/with rifles might be convenient for the owner but is very handy for the theif.
Ammo is reasonably easy to obtain if you get rifles with bolts.
While that is very true, for me leaving them in is a safety thing, as I collector I have a Lot of rifles that could have the bolts interchanged and that has headspace implications. Can only check what goes with what via matching up serial numbers on about half of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
Having lost a bolt I keep good track of them. Rifles in safe bolts and magazines in the ammo cupboard inside the safe with separate lock and ammo in a different room in metal box with padlock
So long as your ammunition is stored separately from your A and E category firearms (i.e. in a separate cupboard, or in an army surplus ammo can in the garage, etc) then there is NO legal requirement to remove bolts, magazines etc. I would go further and say that to do so is bloody stupid! Many bolts and magazines are simply unable to be replaced, and after 50 years of gunsmithing and now retired, I am still being asked to try and replace such things. There are no specific rules regarding ammo storage other than taking reasonable steps to keep it out of the hands of children and unauthorised persons. Restricted Weapons held under a C endorsement are a different kettle of fish and are required to be stored with a vital part removed and stored separately. Sadly, many vettors and Arms Officers try and make their own rules! It is in your own intertest to study the 1983 Arms Act and the 1992 Arms Regulations, and their subsequent amendments. They are online, and represent the ONLY NZ firearms law. If Police policy and requests differ from this law then they are, quite simply, not lawful.
Got vetted tonight , was told ammo & bolts had to be locked away separate . He told me this on the phone call a week ago . I read the Arms regs and couldn't find anything to say as much , hence this thread . Anyhow I was compliant , put a lock on my ammo storage box . Im not sure about the bolt removing thing yet .
That shit grinds my gears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsey
Obviously being able to read legislation is not a requirement to becoming an arms officer.
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Just FYI my 2c is..sure do what you like personally, lock your ammo box, put your bolts hidden in your cat's litter box, whatever floats your boat. But individuals in an advisory role and perceived power should not be lying about what is and isn't a requirement by law or otherwise.
Implying that something is law just because of personal preference is absolute rubbish and kills the credibility of other arms officers and those in advisory roles.
/endrant
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With changes to to the arms act on the way, all the nay Sayers had better get ready for a different world, no problem here with locking ammo away, and safes compulsory ,had a discussion yesterday with a guy regarding A cat semi auto centre fires, he was convinced they would all be E cat, soon.
Im thinking Taff is probably right . Big changes coming in. (Even though not in legislation yet )Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougie
And to be honest I had Ammo spread from "arsehole to breakfast " .
No you just have to have an A+++ in "interpretation"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougie
I'm also convinced that they'll legalize meth tomorrow. So it must be true! Glass barbecues for everyone!Quote:
Originally Posted by Taff
I have my ammo in a separate safe with half my bolts but the tikkas i leave them in.
Much higher chance of grabbing the wrong bolt for wrong gun I feel.
I used cable ties and nail polish to tell the difference but neither lasted very long so went back to plan a.
In saying that they are in a E-Cat safe too not just a locked wooden cupboard.
The law is what is in place now, not what might be in the future, wish the priority was to catch the burglars not continual security upgrades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taff
Quite likely not even a firearms officer doing the check, such as in my case :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougie
Does the ammo need to be in a separate room? When I got inspected to get my licence the vettor wanted this. I intend to grunt up the doors to where my safe is so makes sense to have the ammo in the same room but different safe.
Quote from the nice cop that came to my place for security check. On getting out of his car, his first words were;
`shit, I don't really need to see your gun security, as that driveway is enough to keep any one out`
Obviously he was only half joking, and did the checks anyway, although he wasn't sure if he was required to take details of firearms or not. He was also very surprised when I opened the gun cabinet to show him the fixings, and it was actually empty. I pointed out that as I hadn't had a security check at this address, I was not yet allowed to have my toys on the premises, so they were stored in a mates safe.
Thats not law I am sure Pengy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
Or else I have been breaking it for the 3 or so years...still havent been inspected.
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I was not 100% sure , so played safe anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
I'm surprised you were even inspected by a constable? Because a dude in a black jersey with a sherif badge and a clipboard doesn't actually make you a cop.
I worked on the same floor as my arms officer when I had my first inspection and he was promptly told to get fucked when he tried to order me to split my bolts from my firearms.
Hawkes Bay seems to be much better with prompt timing to inspect after moving house and not sending me a hi viz jerkin wearing, illiterate hero.
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Originally Posted by Dougie
Gold!
Legal or not it will still be around like illegal firearms, you may not like it but there is a greater chance of it happening than not ( and I don,t mean the meth), .Quote:
Originally Posted by Daggers_187
You would be amazed at the number of quotes we do for replacement guns , left in garages, wardrobes, or clamped to the water cylinder with a bike lock, bolts and ammo put in a ammo tin in the garage on a shelf, we will not stop thefts, but we don,t have to make there life easy, most thefts are made by people with a alcohol or drug problem to get money to feed the habit, take a 40inch TV to a dealer you will get a couple of wraps, take them a firearm or ammo, your set for the month.
You missed the point. Point was that regardless of what someone is "convinced" of. It doesn't mean it's going to come to pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taff
Been in New Zealand for two years - has a intimate understanding of the underground drugs trade, along with an inside ear on what new legislation is going to pass. Good one mate.
If you want more stringent firearms law, you should move to the UK. They have fantastic laws over there. :thumbsup: