Thread: Sub MOA rifles

Originally Posted by ChrisW

I think the quality of the barrel, overall stiffness of the stock, and a well designed bedding method are significant factors in producing accurate rifles. Then a good trigger helps the average Joe to actually achieve results without wizardry.

I think in order to guarantee accuracy, the rifles had better be consistently very good otherwise itl create more problems than its worth. Its time consuming and costly going out and test firing, then trouble shooting rifles which don't perform as expected.
In order to guarantee it without causing real headaches, I reckon you need to be somewhere around 1 problem rifle per 500+ rifles- which means good quality control.
You will go bust real quick if you tried to sell cheap rifles that had an accuracy guarantees that they didnt meet the huge proportion of the time; so in some cases its better to just not offer it at all even if the vast majority would meet such a guarantee.

@gonetropo I somewhat agree, but the likes of Tikka & Sako have taken it to the next level by guaranteeing accuracy with a specified range of ammunition; whereas most will others say "sub moa accuracy guaranteed" then leave it up to the end-user to make the stars align to actually achieve it.

point taken but tika and sako would not perform 1moa in say a raging southerly with monsoon rain etc. there are always conditions between the end of the barrel and the target.

Originally Posted by gonetropo

point taken but tika and sako would not perform 1moa in say a raging southerly with monsoon rain etc. there are always conditions between the end of the barrel and the target.

I agree - but the guarantees generally don't allow for such conditions. The fine print is usually something along the lines of "will achieve sub-moa accuracy in a controlled shooting environment with high quality ammunition". Sako / Tikka take it a step further by specifying the ammunition that will achieve said results, and not leave it up to the end user to reinvent the wheel trying to get it to shoot something sub-moa.
In saying that we take problem rifles out into the world, and if it wont shoot sub-moa in whatever conditions its being tested in then its a problem and its up to us to get it to shoot as specified - whether in a monsoon or a sealed tunnel (which we don't have).

Originally Posted by gonetropo

point taken but tika and sako would not perform 1moa in say a raging southerly with monsoon rain etc. there are always conditions between the end of the barrel and the target.

It's fair to say that all Sub MOA guarantee's are with mild weather conditions... If you want the absolute best Accuracy guarantee I think you will find check out Seekins
https://youtu.be/340YKCt_uXs