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700x is fine except it doesn't meter well in small charges. That is why I prefer the WST and WSF ball powder. I just realised that I am now using AR2205 for my 220 grain .300 Blackout subsonic loads (1060 fps) because of the better loading density (less air space).
@gundoc What are your thoughts on porting the barrel of a 44 or similar cal like the Delise carbine. I remember the JW 15's that you did with the ported barrels and full-length overbarrel suppressor (Gun City), great little accurate guns and very quiet
I am currently building one in .44 Magnum for my own use and will be using jacketed Hornady 300 grain XTP's which are fine with ported barrels. Lead bullets are not suitable for ported barrels unless the holes are quite small (1-1.5mm) and even then there could be shaving problems.
Two things, the lead bullets do go well in those ported norincos. Hornady 300 grain XTP - tried those, very accurate BUT crap on anything bigger than a hare. Dont get me wrong I have shot game with them but they are too hard. - Funny sort of brittle lead that wont mushroom, they are made for self protection from Bears. The Nosler 300 gr HP is vastly superior on game. With the XTP, it can go through a ram or even a Bisons skull and the animal appears ok. Nosler 'Thwack' skull cracked like a dropped easter eggQuote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
Thanks for that. I had read elsewhere that the Hornady's were a bit hard. I will see if I can find some Nosler's (probably on back-order!)
Thanks will give those a go,will a light crimp hurt?using them in a tube magazine.Quote:
Originally Posted by shooternz
A light crimp is fine just need to roll it in a little so it is flush with the front of the groove so it won't catch when chamberingQuote:
Originally Posted by The bomb
just run a finger over it you will feel it, don't crimp to much it can damage the bullet,
Rifle back suppressed witha DPT suppressor. Very short and handy, currently have a Bushnell trs-25 mounted but, may swap it out for my propoint or sig sauer, as the dot is alot bigger than the stated 3moa, and the lowest setting is still a bit bright for first and last light. Have all the components here so will load up a few tonight with some trailboss. Hopefully out hunting by the end of the week.
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Well she stabilizes factory subsonic 44 special and Robert's 270gr cast lead hollopoints. A couple of 1 and 1.5inch groups with trailboss at 40yds so things are looking good.
Load sorted, 7.5gr trailboss, 270hr cast HP 1000fps. Went for a hunt, lined up on a mature Sika hind at 115yds, looked to be a good hit, good reaction from the hind. Tracked for ages In heavy rain and manuka scrub, even with the dog, we were unable to locate the animal. Bit of a bugger.
and NOW you will see WHY so many have given it up........when it works its as good as a arrow...when it doesnt,its as bad as an arrow....
sorry to hear you have lost a deer,you did your best to find it.
this is why folks go back to supersonics...and keep subs for really close stuff,finishing off shot and small game where the sheer size of hole is enough.
Yeah mate, agreed. I'll dial the range back to 50ish yards and persist. Early days yet. Plenty of supers good to go aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
For a second there I thought I was seeing my own rifle but with a different scope,
I have been down this path for a few years now and settled on 240 gr XTP over AP70 in 44 special cases for the subs and 2205 in 44 mag cases for the big critter hard hitters.
One pro tip I can offer that hasn't been mentioned yet is that if you mount a traditional scope and sight it in for the full power loads, the intersection between the thin and thick section of the vertical cross hear seems to line up with the subsonic POI pretty well from 25 - 70 yds. Its like a crude ballistic reticle. Or you can also do what I ended up doing and fitting a dial turret.
Ironically if you shoot sub loads without the suppressor they also hit the spot where the full powers hit with the suppressor on.
I've also noticed what you mentioned about when using a traditional scope, very similar thing worked out for me using a leupold 1.5-4 with subs and full power loads in my bergara single shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by longshot
How do the subsonic loads sound without the suppressor? Wouldnt mind having a practice load for the rossi lever in the meantime until i can get the mag shortened a bit so I can share the suppressor between the two of them.
Interesting what you say about lining up with the full powers with the suppressor, might just have to try it at the range next time!
I am also using the leupold 1-4x20
I can’t speak to how loud the subs are without suppressor as when I did the experiment it was at the range with various other canons going off in the vicinity and I was wearing hearing protection
subs without suppressor are quieter or on par with supers with suppressor DEPENDING on barrel length.....try one and see...its not a big bang at all ,more of a pop. no recoil and still useful
Well I haven't done any hunting for a while due to a bad back and waiting for an op. Last couple of weeks it's been OK so went for a lazy walk with the dog and tipped over a billy at 30m. Shot hit low and forwards on the shoulder with the 270gr subs, Billy ran 10m and was dead. Pretty happy with that result and so was the dog.
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Finally got around to getting out with this rifle again. Ran out of Robs 270gr hp, so switched to 250gr SWC lead projectiles, behind 7.5gr of trailboss. Stalked onto a clearing and a pheasant flushed followed by 2 fallow. A central shoulder shot at 40m sealed the deal with Zoe only tracking for 15m to reveal a very dead deer. Slightly larger than caliber exit wound and lots of internal bleeding.
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