Suppressors with internal muzzle brake

Hi team,

Just wondering if anyone knows any suppressors that come with internal muzzle breaks?
Thinking of suppressing a 22in T3 6.5x55, would like to cut down noise and also recoil as much as possible to make long range precision shooting easier.

I know the new Hardys have internal muzzle breaks. Gunworks do too by the look of it.
Had great experience with DPT on noise reduction and customer service, but unfortunately they don't come with internal muzzle breaks.
Waitaki Engineering?
Greystone?
MAE? (Do they still exist?)

Any other suggestions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULdgBrbUJRk

No real advantage, but if it can be a feel good factor for some...

Exactly my thinking. A muzzle brake works by porting blast in a direction that helps stabilize rifle , much the same principal as a jet engine , but in my mind having the brake in a tube that contains said blast without venting directly to atmosphere in required direction the blast/ jet engine effect is mitigated. That's the way I see it anyway.
Had a gunworks suppressor on my factory 7m08 tikka and now have a dpt on my short barrel light weight tikka 308 and the 308 feels smoother to shoot to me with less kick at the shoulder .

Me and a mate both have 7mm rem mags, he has a gunworks maximus, I have a DPT mk11 with stainless blast baffle they both feel the same to shoot.
The gunworks maximus is a little quieter but it is also twice as heavy :thumbsup:

The US military has a patent on one that has side venting for the outer suppressor body

Sounds like you need a big MAE stainless suppressor, they are so heavy the barrel of a howitzer doesn't even jump!

Sonic? has that set up.


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Sounds like you are looking for a QD suppressor and a muzzle brake as an adapter? Oceania Defense QD suppressors might be a good choice.

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Sonic? has that set up.


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I did like the sonic that my mate recently fitted to his howa last week
seemed like a really well made suppressor

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Originally Posted by Friwi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULdgBrbUJRk

No real advantage, but if it can be a feel good factor for some...

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Yes, it is a closed system, so there is little effect. The slowing/cooling gasses in the suppressor will have a little effect. The main reduction in recoil is due to the increased mass with the weight of the suppressor added to the rifle. A brake puts in an opposing force to that of the leaving projectile in order to reduce recoil.

There is a really good American instagram/podcast called "the jay suituation" that's doing some real cool stuff suppressor wise if you want to dive deeper into this

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Originally Posted by gadgetman

Yes, it is a closed system, so there is little effect. The slowing/cooling gasses in the suppressor will have a little effect. The main reduction in recoil is due to the increased mass with the weight of the suppressor added to the rifle. A brake puts in an opposing force to that of the leaving projectile in order to reduce recoil.

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I would have said that the plates or internal baffling would have caught the blast as well and in doing so would double up like a brake , like a parachute , and slow or dampen the recoil . Blast pushes the rifle forward when caught in baffles - if you didn't screw it on it would shoot off the end as it catches the blast and is propelled forward. As it is screwed to the barrel it pushes the whole rifle forward to some extent and dampens the recoil effect.
Thats the way I see it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ftx325

I would have said that the plates or internal baffling would have caught the blast as well and in doing so would double up like a brake , like a parachute , and slow or dampen the recoil . Blast pushes the rifle forward when caught in baffles - if you didn't screw it on it would shoot off the end as it catches the blast and is propelled forward. As it is screwed to the barrel it pushes the whole rifle forward to some extent and dampens the recoil effect.
Thats the way I see it anyway.

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Exactly. Old mate had a MAE suppressor on his Sako 75 3 hundy WM, the scope kept coming off the receiver dovetail on firing. So much was the recoil reversed, that the recoil setting dovetail on the Sako was ineffective. Ended up machining a notch into the side of the dovetail and a adding a claw and grubscrew to the mount.

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I would have said that the plates or internal baffling would have caught the blast as well and in doing so would double up like a brake , like a parachute , and slow or dampen the recoil . Blast pushes the rifle forward when caught in baffles - if you didn't screw it on it would shoot off the end as it catches the blast and is propelled forward. As it is screwed to the barrel it pushes the whole rifle forward to some extent and dampens the recoil effect.
Thats the way I see it anyway.

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It is a closed system. Gases cannot escape the suppressor backwards. Recoil is a product of conservation of momentum. It will have a small effect as you described, because after hitting the baffle the gases move back and hit the previous baffle/rear of suppressor causing in increase in rearward thrust. The suppressor will slow the process a little as well as slowing the gas escape from the front of the suppressor.

As gadget man says you can't escape physics the biggest influence on recoil from a supressor apart from the added weight is its slowing of the combustion gasses to subsonic or near subsonic speed this means that the recoil impulse instead of being short and sharp is extended over a longer period giving the perception of it being less.
A good analogy is the difference in felt recoil between black and smokeless powder loads giving identical velocity. One is a push the other a whack.

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Defies the laws of Gadgetman

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Defies the laws of Gadgetman

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It doesn’t. You can see the ports on it, it’s not an internal muzzle brake.

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It doesn’t. You can see the ports on it, it’s not an internal muzzle brake.

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Just good natured nudge / nuzzle. However, it is what the OP wants - a suppressor with internal brake

don't neccessarily disagree with you guys but.... the slowing of the gasses and the release of said gasses explains the sound reducing qualities of a supressor perfectly. That is how they achieve sound reduction. The analogy between smokeless and black powder I don't think is quite correct. Black powder has a slower burn rate which is why it's a push rather than a thump. Like slowly putting your foot on the throttle in the car rather than mashing it to the floor. You will reach the same speed but take slightly longer to get there and exceleration will feel less pronounced.
Being a closed system is why I don't think an internal muzzle brake will have any extra effect as like you mentioned there is no where to vent the gasses to atmosphere to control recoil as in a jet engine type directional venting. But as you said the laws of physics must be followed and those laws state that every action has an equal or opposite reaction, so in my mind it stands to reason that as the blast impacts the internal plates of the supressor the 'parachute' effect must have a fairly large impact on recoil , as those same gasses and 'jet' forces that create the recoil impulse backwards towards the shooter push against the plates creating another , but lessoned recoil impulse in the opposite direction . I would imagine the majority of these blast forces would be absorbed on first strike against the plates , pushing the whole rifle forward to an extent and slowing/canceling a large chunk of the recoil impulse , and any effect from there is gas expansion within the supressor chambers which in itself , being a closed system , would have little effect on recoil.