Swaro Z8i vs Z6/Z6i

Anyone here played with the new Swarovski Z8i scopes, and if so, how do they stack up against the older Z6's (glass wise)? The Z8i 1-8x24 is of particular interest as it's slightly lighter and more compact than the larger models.

Also - how reliable is the illumination system on the Swaro scopes? I hate how they've got buttons and switches on them; makes them seem a little over-complicated and a bit gimmicky (i.e the rotary dial system on S&B scopes instill greater confidence and feels more robust).

Have any of you been running an illuminated Swaro for at least 5 years, and can attest to their durability in the long term? How have they taken knocks in the field/cold temperatures/rain & moisture etc.

Cheers,
AJ

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Anyone here played with the new Swarovski Z8i scopes, and if so, how do they stack up against the older Z6's (glass wise)? The Z8i 1-8x24 is of particular interest as it's slightly lighter and more compact than the larger models.

Also - how reliable is the illumination system on the Swaro scopes? I hate how they've got buttons and switches on them; makes them seem a little over-complicated and a bit gimmicky (i.e the rotary dial system on S&B scopes instill greater confidence and feels more robust).

Have any of you been running an illuminated Swaro for at least 5 years, and can attest to their durability in the long term? How have they taken knocks in the field/cold temperatures/rain & moisture etc.

Cheers,
AJ

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I sold my Z8 for 1-8 for a Sightron 1-7 and have never been happier. Although the Sightron 1-7 is discoed, it is excellent if you can find one. It does give up 10' in FOV department, but glass is every bit as good.

If you have lots of cashola, the Swaro is nice. If you can find a Sightron, it is 95% of the Swaro and saves some cash. The Sightron gives up no image quality to the Swaro at all.

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Originally Posted by Got Juice?

The Sightron gives up no image quality to the Swaro at all.

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Ha, pull the other one mate

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Originally Posted by Got Juice?

I sold my Z8 for 1-8 for a Sightron 1-7 and have never been happier. Although the Sightron 1-7 is discoed, it is excellent if you can find one. It does give up 10' in FOV department, but glass is every bit as good.

If you have lots of cashola, the Swaro is nice. If you can find a Sightron, it is 95% of the Swaro and saves some cash. The Sightron gives up no image quality to the Swaro at all.

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Glad you're happy with your Sightron, but I'm specifically looking at the Swaro line.

I reviewed a 1.7 -13 Z8 ( NZ GUNS Jul/Aug 2018 ) was a bloody nice scope, excellent glass, dual illuminated reticle was pretty cool & absolutely love the ZO turrets.

Very cool scope, just a little heavy for what I'll use on a LW bush rifle, hence why I won't put one on my 30 ARX

Hey @Frodo

I have a Z6i and so far I've had nothing but great service from it. The scope is coming up 2 years old so I admit we're not talking the 5+ years experience you're looking for, but in this time I've had it in all manner of extremes and as you'd expect, it performs flawlessly.

I don't see environmental factors as being a concern - for a start Swarovski have good products that are well proven... and secondly I believe they will stand behind their warranty in the unlikely event of problems.

Operation of the illumination is actually very basic. You turn it on either in Night mode or Daylight mode. It doesn't get any simpler. Once you have the brightness set for each of those modes, you're unlikely to change them. I have never needed to adjust my Daylight setting but I do change my night setting sometimes depending on what I'm doing. I find that when I'm spotlighting I need a little more ilumination so I bump it up a couple of clicks but when I'm stalking in moonlight I could do with a little less so button it down. The range is quite large and seems to cover everything I could ever imagine me needing. Additionaly, in case you're not aware, the ilumination turns off if you lay the rifle down or put it over your shoulder. As such I've never had to replace the battery. In the unlikely event I did run the battery flat a spare is held under the windage cap.

In terms of the extremes, I've used it from sea level to 8000 feet and from those exhausting hot summer days to "this snow is so cold, I can't feel my legs!" This April I tested its waterproofness in Fiordland rain and again in the hills around West Canterbury during sleet. I can tell you the scope is definitely more waterproof than these stupid waterproof gloves I bought.

Hope that helps.

Oh, and if you do decide to go that way and then don't like it, let me know as I could do with a cheap Z8i. :)

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Originally Posted by planenutz

Hey @Frodo

I have a Z6i and so far I've had nothing but great service from it. The scope is coming up 2 years old so I admit we're not talking the 5+ years experience you're looking for, but in this time I've had it in all manner of extremes and as you'd expect, it performs flawlessly.

I don't see environmental factors as being a concern - for a start Swarovski have good products that are well proven... and secondly I believe they will stand behind their warranty in the unlikely event of problems.

Operation of the illumination is actually very basic. You turn it on either in Night mode or Daylight mode. It doesn't get any simpler. Once you have the brightness set for each of those modes, you're unlikely to change them. I have never needed to adjust my Daylight setting but I do change my night setting sometimes depending on what I'm doing. I find that when I'm spotlighting I need a little more ilumination so I bump it up a couple of clicks but when I'm stalking in moonlight I could do with a little less so button it down. The range is quite large and seems to cover everything I could ever imagine me needing. Additionaly, in case you're not aware, the ilumination turns off if you lay the rifle down or put it over your shoulder. As such I've never had to replace the battery. In the unlikely event I did run the battery flat a spare is held under the windage cap.

In terms of the extremes, I've used it from sea level to 8000 feet and from those exhausting hot summer days to "this snow is so cold, I can't feel my legs!" This April I tested its waterproofness in Fiordland rain and again in the hills around West Canterbury during sleet. I can tell you the scope is definitely more waterproof than these stupid waterproof gloves I bought.

Hope that helps.

Oh, and if you do decide to go that way and then don't like it, let me know as I could do with a cheap Z8i. :)

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Is your z6i a 1-6x24? Any pictures of it on a rifle

No @MSL its a 2.5 -15 x 44 BT 4Ai.

Freakin' love it.

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Originally Posted by planenutz

Hey @Frodo

I have a Z6i and so far I've had nothing but great service from it. The scope is coming up 2 years old so I admit we're not talking the 5+ years experience you're looking for, but in this time I've had it in all manner of extremes and as you'd expect, it performs flawlessly.

I don't see environmental factors as being a concern - for a start Swarovski have good products that are well proven... and secondly I believe they will stand behind their warranty in the unlikely event of problems.

Operation of the illumination is actually very basic. You turn it on either in Night mode or Daylight mode. It doesn't get any simpler. Once you have the brightness set for each of those modes, you're unlikely to change them. I have never needed to adjust my Daylight setting but I do change my night setting sometimes depending on what I'm doing. I find that when I'm spotlighting I need a little more ilumination so I bump it up a couple of clicks but when I'm stalking in moonlight I could do with a little less so button it down. The range is quite large and seems to cover everything I could ever imagine me needing. Additionaly, in case you're not aware, the ilumination turns off if you lay the rifle down or put it over your shoulder. As such I've never had to replace the battery. In the unlikely event I did run the battery flat a spare is held under the windage cap.

In terms of the extremes, I've used it from sea level to 8000 feet and from those exhausting hot summer days to "this snow is so cold, I can't feel my legs!" This April I tested its waterproofness in Fiordland rain and again in the hills around West Canterbury during sleet. I can tell you the scope is definitely more waterproof than these stupid waterproof gloves I bought.

Hope that helps.

Oh, and if you do decide to go that way and then don't like it, let me know as I could do with a cheap Z8i. :)

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Hey mate, thanks a million for the write-up, appreciate it. :) Sounds like it's serving you very well.

I've owned a Z6 before, but the non-illuminated version (1.7-10x42). The glass was great and it tracked well, but I've never had a play with any of the illuminated models, so was a bit unsure.

Sounds like they're well worth it then. I'll probably spring for the 1-8x24 going off specs alone - I'm not aware of any stores who have the entire range on hand for a play.
@MSL are you aware that there's a new 2019 model? An 0.75-6x20

It's 3 or 4 cm shorter than the 1-8, and obviously got much more FOV on the low-end. Lighter too.

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If you're up this way, call in, you're welcome to have a fondle. It's hard to take the gamble without first seeing one in the flesh.

I was on their website myself last week and noticed the new addition. A 0.75 x zoom would be handy for close in bunnies but I'm not sure it would be easy to justify the price just to put it on a 10/22.

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I've been looking at the Z8i, for my double rifle, I like to have a play with one, as its a grand more than the Z6i, I have two off, and like them.
My Z6i 2x12x50 is illimitation gen one,:thumbsup: and I've not had any problems, in the ten plus years, I've had it, currently it sits on a Sako Av in 7x64, and gets regular use, Extra weight, of illumination is the only disadvantage I can see.

have had 3 z6i, only have two now(selling one was dumb) and have had no issues in well over 5 years- one scope in particular has had a lot of feild and range use and looks beat to hell and back but is still working like a new one(thanks lens caps.

I can see a z8i in my future to replace my trijicon 1-8

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Originally Posted by planenutz

If you're up this way, call in, you're welcome to have a fondle. It's hard to take the gamble without first seeing one in the flesh.

I was on their website myself last week and noticed the new addition. A 0.75 x zoom would be handy for close in bunnies but I'm not sure it would be easy to justify the price just to put it on a 10/22.

:)

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You'll have to buy an Anschutz .22 then...;)

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Originally Posted by planenutz

If you're up this way, call in, you're welcome to have a fondle. It's hard to take the gamble without first seeing one in the flesh.

I was on their website myself last week and noticed the new addition. A 0.75 x zoom would be handy for close in bunnies but I'm not sure it would be easy to justify the price just to put it on a 10/22.

:)

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Look nice on a Volquartson!

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Originally Posted by ARdave

Ha, pull the other one mate

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I own a lot of high end glass. No pulling required.

My Latest is my S&B 5-25x56 PMII that I custom ordered... only took 12 weeks to get :)

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Originally Posted by Got Juice?

I own a lot of high end glass. No pulling required.

My Latest is my S&B 5-25x56 PMII that I custom ordered... only took 12 weeks to get :)

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Had any experience with the S&B Exos or the straight tubed Zeniths?

Hey Frodo, cant tell you how the Z8 compares to the Z6 but i have had a 1-8x24 as my main scope the past couple years.
Its been on a work rifle so would have around about 3000 hours of use so far in all conditions the NZ back country is known for.
Ive changed the battery once, the illumination system is simple and hasn't given me any trouble.
Its had a rough life, im not precious about my gear, i look after it but at the end of the day its going to get knocked and scratched and dinged at some stage, the Swaro has held up fine. Hope that helps answer some of your questions.

Cheers for the info @kbrebs.

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Had any experience with the S&B Exos or the straight tubed Zeniths?

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Not Yet... waiting to recharge the bank account... The Exos looks interesting. I do have friends looking, but one bought the 1-8 CC. He is very happy with the optic.

https://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/p...6-pm-iilp.html

Here is mine .. ordered the H59 Reticle CCW Illum etc.

It currently resides on my Tikka CTR Build in a KRG Bravo Chassis, CADEX Defence Brake.... shooting 246" 8 round groups at 100m.... building my own range currently to stretch its legs past 500. At 275m i was just over 3/4"