Thread: Is it time to leave the 27 gang?

Listen to Ryan. Nothing wrong with a 270 and they are still one of the better performers for general open country hunting from zero to 500, despite what all the text book experts will tell you. And they do that in a nice handy light weight package. And I can buy crackers for it in any sports shop over the counter if I need to. And recoil? Never noticed it. I love mine and have shot thousands of animals with it. I have also shot plenty enough with the other calibres in this discussion to know that they work well too but there is more in projectile choice and placement than calibre choice. If you like your 270 rifle and it shoots well then try a slightly more specific load for your 'new' style of shooting, dont change the whole damn rifle. Unless as someone said you really just want to play with a new rifle and are trying to justify that (note - you dont have to justify that ) To be frank though the 7mm mag and 7-08 are both good too but this is really splitting hairs. Here's another option for you and one that seems to be largely forgotten about in this day and age. Its a really cunning little trick that costs you nothing and makes a hunt really successful................here goes.................... GET CLOSER FOR THE SHOT Whatever you decide to do - enjoy!

Originally Posted by GSP HUNTER

Thanks Danny, definitely dig out that load ladder, would it be worth buying the factory 145 eldx first do you think to see if they shoot and then reload if the barrel likes them? I seem to recall old nz hunter were running them in an 18 inch barrel and reaching out with the eldx 145's so it's possible right, the Tikka 695 270 I have prints half moa all day so if they shoot that would work. Otherwise try some Ryan mentioned. Will keep you guys posted when I get it done. Thanks again. The Rem mag itch has been abated. ( for now )

I find that fiddling with different projectiles and powder usually fixes my itches too. At least temporarily.

@GSP HUNTER I'm certain that the .270 will do everything that you ask of it on Tahr with the ELDX or Bergers. The LongRange Accubonds are excellent but can be very frustrating to get shooting but if you want to try them I can post you some (and a few 145 ELDX too). PM me your address.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Tahr

I find that fiddling with different projectiles and powder usually fixes my itches too. At least temporarily.

@GSP HUNTER I'm certain that the .270 will do everything that you ask of it on Tahr with the ELDX or Bergers. The LongRange Accubonds are excellent but can be very frustrating to get shooting but if you want to try them I can post you some (and a few 145 ELDX too). PM me your address.

Cheers

I will add to that I wouldn't bother with factory loaded eldx just do a ladder and see which charge weight shoots best, the eldx don't mind a bit of jump as I seat mine to mag length in 3 different sakos and all print half moa or better and at mag length they are no where near the lands.
I'll dig out my ladder for you later today just pm me to remind me @GSP HUNTER
I have never had any issue getting eldx to shoot well yet

Keep the 270 and use either, 135gn matchkings, 143 ELD, 150gn LRAB or Berger 150gn

Originally Posted by dannyb

I will add to that I wouldn't bother with factory loaded eldx just do a ladder and see which charge weight shoots best, the eldx don't mind a bit of jump as I seat mine to mag length in 3 different sakos and all print half moa or better and at mag length they are no where near the lands.
I'll dig out my ladder for you later today just pm me to remind me @GSP HUNTER
I have never had any issue getting eldx to shoot well yet

@dannyb I too had the same experience with jumping the eldx until i started playing with my 7mm08. Mag length was pretty average accuracy wise (and huuuge jump). Tried matching the CBTO to my super accurate SST load and bingo! COL is now significantly longer than short action mag but thinking a LA mag and bolt stop will fix that. Might play with some 162 ELD-M too... Guess just goes to show all rifles have their preferences!

I think a lot of the migration from caliber to caliber that is discussed on this and other forums comes from the fact that the shooter has either:

* Realised that it is not fit for purpose.

* Become bored with what they have

* Not recognised that their rifle will perform much better in a more skilled pair of hands, and is in fact all they need and more.

* Lost confidence in it for some reason

* Been trying to keep up with the Joneses

* Realised that they have learned all the lessons that it has to offer, and feel the need to keep on learning.

The first and last ones to me, are the truly valid ones.

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

I think a lot of the migration from caliber to caliber that is discussed on this and other forums comes from the fact that the shooter has either:

* Realised that it is not fit for purpose.

* Become bored with what they have

* Not recognised that their rifle will perform much better in a more skilled pair of hands, and is in fact all they need and more.

* Lost confidence in it for some reason

* Been trying to keep up with the Joneses

* Realised that they have learned all the lessons that it has to offer, and feel the need to keep on learning.

The first and last ones to me, are the truly valid ones.

You missed found space in the safe, so need to add another one.


I'd hang onto the Tikka 695 and add something else into the mix at some point.

Originally Posted by Tahr

I find that fiddling with different projectiles and powder usually fixes my itches too. At least temporarily.

@GSP HUNTER I'm certain that the .270 will do everything that you ask of it on Tahr with the ELDX or Bergers. The LongRange Accubonds are excellent but can be very frustrating to get shooting but if you want to try them I can post you some (and a few 145 ELDX too). PM me your address.

Cheers

Thank you very much Tahr, I think you're right, if ain't broke, dont fix it analogy. A simple projectile new load intervention and he was healed ( for now )
I never wanted to become a real long ranger but would like to be able to respond to 5 % opportunities at longer range should they appear.
I'd welcome the offer mate, I'll pm you my address.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

nah stick with what you know....... if you get a good 7mm mag and suppressor it would be fine BUT how much would you realistically gain???? use a good hot 150grn load in the poohseventy and no big hairy goat is going to walk away...Ive shot them with 130s without issue.
if you have rangefinder and know your drops you should be fine.up to 350 yards its point and shoot with the poohseventy.past that you got to be on the ball no matter what you are using.
if you are going to have to look at drop chart/dial there is stuff all difference.

The common sense from MD in Geraldine is always appreciated. Must be the water down there, it certainly cant be the Speights ( wait for it !!! )

Good intervention people, you probably saved me some $$, now for a light weight scope, will my 3-9 Kahles cut it with a bit of Texas hold over
or do I go BDC - not sure frigging around with dials is a bit of me. Get closer they said.

I have shot a few bull tahr but have yet to shoot one further than 250m away. Where have I gone wrong? I think for shots out to 400m then a flat shooting load, a good range finder with TBR and knowing exactly what your load does drop wise will work. Beyond that I think dial up makes a real difference. One of the biggest differences is that you have absolute confidence the projectile is going exactly where you aim it. You cant beat that. In fact I like it for shots over 250m. Plus the animal deserves it. Reading back over the comments here I think there have been some really good points made and thoughts given. Thinking about your scope there is nothing wrong with it. However re doing a load for your rifle that takes it to next level and then buying a dial up scope that really helps make the most of your calibre and new load might also help you scratch the retail itch. Could be a win win.

Originally Posted by PaulNZ

I love how the laws of physics tend to go out the window with these discussions, particularly regarding recoil....

I love how people in shooting make up the laws of physics as they go along.

He is right about the recoil. You are doing your physics wrong.

Originally Posted by GSP HUNTER

Thank you very much Tahr, I think you're right, if ain't broke, dont fix it analogy. A simple projectile new load intervention and he was healed ( for now )
I never wanted to become a real long ranger but would like to be able to respond to 5 % opportunities at longer range should they appear.
I'd welcome the offer mate, I'll pm you my address.

All good. I will send a few ELDX, 150 Berger & 150 LR Nosler.

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

I think a lot of the migration from caliber to caliber that is discussed on this and other forums comes from the fact that the shooter has either:

* Realised that it is not fit for purpose.

* Become bored with what they have

* Not recognised that their rifle will perform much better in a more skilled pair of hands, and is in fact all they need and more.

* Lost confidence in it for some reason

* Been trying to keep up with the Joneses

* Realised that they have learned all the lessons that it has to offer, and feel the need to keep on learning.

The first and last ones to me, are the truly valid ones.

If #2 is not acceptable it is time to shut the forum.

6mm Nosler @ 5000fps. Would be a coin flip whether the barrel would last til the end of load development though