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Ok it's as ugly as sin, and I would never be able to bring it out in civilized company (just about anyone who likes lever actions).
But even with the eye watering price, the attraction of a cheap to feed center fire lever action plinker means I want one.
Did I mention how ugly it was?
Or just vote ACT at the next election
I'm torn whether to like these or be mortified.
They'd be super cool for yeeting small things with 147gr sub loads.
Depending on price point I could be tempted in the future.
Would also be alot better if they took Glock mags but that's only due to the cost and reliability of Glock mags.
i like leveractions . . But jezz thats just taking the piss, Damm its Ugly
I know exactly how you feel. I think why it's almost getting a pass mark is because there is no attempt at trying to be even semi traditional. As they have not tacticooled an existing traditional design I am a lot more forgiving. Not exactly a traditional lever cartridge as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter
It's like the bull terrier of rifles ugly but cool at the same time
Practical, cheap to feed, can mount a red dot, scope, or use the open sights.
But its so bloody ugly :wtfsmilie:
Tactical Imports is planning on bringing them in. I think price is going to be around $3000.
i like it, its kinda like the ugly sausage on the bbq, you know its gonna be good and you are improving the world by taking that one home.... (i guess that could apply to a range of ugly things...)
Good to know. I better start saving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh00ter
I don't do three gun, but would this have any place?
That is Fugly as……. Could be fun though.
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Here's something similar in .223. It should make a great goat gun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53ZEo35Avfk
if I had to use that to shoot goats...I would hide in shame. supermegifugly in extreme.
I cant but help think it should be painted orange or pink and be shooting foam darts with sticky suckers on the end.....
The concept is neat, the execution and price, not so much IMO.
agree with ya Micky Duck - compare that with the photo of a .222 Sako in Australia on here -1981 unfired in original box and no bloody competition really - the only thing that pisses me of is this nagging feeling that the .223 lever pictured here would likely be actually practical - now I will go and chew my arm of for such thoughts lol lol lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Well I happen to love my Thompson Dimension Centre, a fine looking rifle and awesome shooter so I can't quite fathom what all y'alls problem is. I'd have one tomorrow and proud to take it anywhere (legal).
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Jhon, I know you are a fellow tragic, So I will forgive you putting up a picture of that tomato stick on a lever thread. :ORLY:
However, I get your point. We generally accept plastic bolt actions without all this whining. I see it's possible to replace the stock with a wooden one off a shotgun. Remove the brake and make up a more conventional forearm and I might be able to remove the paper bag..........
If they made a repro Winchester 1895 in 223 but with a detachable mag?? Or maybe a Savage 99?
They do, they are called the BLR or the Henry Long-ranger. As good as these are, they are based on a 308 action length. It would be nice to see a properly scaled down lever action for the 223 type length.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
Yeah I'd be all over something like that. The blrs are nice rifles but they don't feel quite as "right" in hand as the 1895 or similar patternsQuote:
Originally Posted by Got-ya
Problem with all of the new production lever guns, is they are overpriced and finished like trash compared to the older models. There's no comparison in machining quality comparing an old turn of the 20th century 1895 to a new production one. Even modern BLR's look and feel like hot garbage compared to the ones made in the 70's and 80's.
1895? do you mean 1894? 95s are neat but to me feel funny in the hand because of the mag. 94s are cool but weigh more than a BLR, owning both I prefer the BLR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
Not my experience. Modern Miroku made Winchesters are expensive, but the fit and finish is as good as anything that came out of the Winchester factory, they just don't have the history or nostalgia. Having used and owned BLRs with steel actions and later alloy ones all made by Miroku I have not noticed any difference in quality except half a pound less in weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Cannot speak for Marlin or Henrys etc.
it beggers belief that Ruger DID NOT take the logical step of levering up the mini 14 the 44mag got done and what a wonderful rifle that is... if the mini 14 had the same treatment the resulting lever action .223----7.62x39mm would make an awesome carry rifle .
indeed the 10/22 and 10/22mag could just as easily be done,afterall 75% of the tooling is already done.
The 10/22 and mag did get done, look up the Ruger model 96. Yeah a mini 14 equivalent lever would be very cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Nah I mean the 95, just tweak it so it holds more
I fondled one in .44mag the other day...Im still drooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Got-ya
Lucky you!, or unlucky now you know what your missing out on. I'd be happy with one of the rimfire versions but dispite lots of diligent searching I have not snagged one yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Unfortunately a lot of lever guns have horrible ergonomics, triggers and/or shoot ballistics bad cartridges IMHO. I have a Citadel 38/357 which is fun and light but mostly for plinking. Some of the marlins are nice (pistol grip version) but still tube fed. A 223 lever/ar might be a good alternative to a straight pull. Ugly but for me utility rules. Really want my AR back...
Magazine write up of the tombstone. They look interesting but I'm not sure they are worth the asking price, at the end of the day it's just a 9mm.
You can read the full article with pics here, https://www.offgridweb.com/gear/revi...er-action-pcc/
POF’s new Tombstone is a lever-action rifle with a 16-inch barrel chambered in 9x19mm. Unlike all the tube-fed guns on the market, it feeds from a detachable box magazine, the 20-rounder that POF developed for its Phoenix subgun. It’s a proprietary polymer design that looks like a curved MP5 mag; it’s a double column but tapers down to a single feed point like a pistol, which POF says works better for a manual action.
Working from tip to tail, the 4150 steel, 1:10 twist, fluted barrel is topped off with a muzzle brake secured with a lock nut. On the other end of the barrel, it’s fastened with a barrel nut.
The AR-ish handguard includes the cantilevered top rail, which attaches to the top of the receiver, as well as M-LOK slots at 3, 6, and 9 o’clock on the forend. At the muzzle end, there’s a short piece of Pic rail on the top and the bottom, like an underbite. The top piece includes an integral blade front sight with a white stripe.
At the aft end, above the receiver, is an XS ghost ring rear sight, adjustable for elevation and windage via set screws on either side.
Made of 7075-T6 aluminum, the receiver has a slightly flared magwell; combined with the tapered single-feed magazines, this makes it easy to insert fresh mags. However, the magwell is farther forward from fire control than shooters may be accustomed to with other platforms, so it takes some reps to get used to it.
There are mag releases on both sides, just like POF’s ambidextrous AR receivers — button on the right and lever on the left. If you have fingers like E.T., you might be able to reach them on your strong side. Otherwise, we found it most effective to perform mag changes like with many other subguns — grab a fresh mag with your support hand, push the mag release on the off-side with your thumb to eject the old one, then insert the new mag.
The angular-shaped lever shrouds the trigger; shooters with huge gloved meat hooks might feel a bit claustrophobic in the trigger guard. The cross-bolt safety is reversible, and the hammer has a half-cock position.
POF mates the Tombstone with Magpul’s excellent SGA 870 shotgun stock, contouring the lever to fit perfectly. As a result, you can tap into Magpul’s various colors and accessories, such as cheek risers, QD sockets, and spacers, as desired.
Field-stripping the gun for cleaning and maintenance involves a Torx driver, small parts, and some finesse, so we’d classify it more as a bench-stripping procedure that you’d rather not do in the field. After clearing the gun and ensuring it’s safe and unloaded, remove the side plates — reminiscent of those sweet old Winchesters.
Keep the rifle oriented vertically as if you were on target, or else small parts may fall out of the gun, and possibly to be lost forever in your cluttered garage.
We used Midwest Industries’ PCC vise block; while it’s designed for Glock-compatible lowers, the large-frame side worked fine to hold the Tombstone. A single Torx screw secures the side plates; once you remove them, take a close look at the connecting links, toggle link, and pins. Be sure to take a picture if you need a reference when reassembling the gun.
Remove the links and pins, as well as the pin connecting the links to the bolt. Lower the lever, push in the firing pin, and remove the firing pin retaining pin. Now you can pull the firing pin out of the rear of the receiver; push down on the hammer to clear it. Slide the bolt out to the rear and angle it downward to remove it from the receiver. Reassembly is the reverse of the above.
A FISTFUL OF AMMO
The Tombstone is very nimble, at just 5.5 pounds, and with the traditional buttstock, it points very naturally, as any skeet or trap shooters out there will understand. It mounts quickly, right on target, and snaps effortlessly from target to target.
So while the integral XS ghost ring sights are nice, this is 2023, and the Tombstone begs for an optic. A reflex sight would be a perfect match for the spritely rifle, so we mounted Atibal’s CRD red dot sight — not only does it have a roomy window, its angular housing matched the Tombstone’s aesthetics. Call us slaves to fashion. The dot is bright, has 40,000 hours of battery life, and it came with a Pic rail adapter for its RMR footprint.
Additionally, any serious rifle should have a weapon-mounted light. In keeping with the slim, lightweight theme, we fitted it with SureFire’s Micro Scout Light Pro. Powered by a single AAA battery, it’s tiny, but still puts out 300 lumens (1,045 candela). Plus, its slick, pivoting, integrated low-profile mount sucks it right up against the handguard. Another great match for the Tombstone.
There’s not a lot more fixed Pic rail real estate for other accessories, but there are plenty of M-LOK slots for more goodies. The muzzle is threaded ½-28; we had planned to attach JK Armament’s new micro-sized CCX suppressor. It would’ve been another perfect match for the Tombstone, but alas, we missed our tight publication window.
At the bench, we put the rifle on bags to chronograph and group some loads. Sellier & Bellot 115-grain FMJ clocked at an average of 1,361 fps but delivered the largest groups at over 4 MOA. Ranger SXT 147-grain HP and Winchester white box 115-grain FMJ turned in groups of 2 to 2.5 MOA and muzzle velocities of 1,096 and 1,409 fps, respectively.
Norma’s 124-grain FMJ and 108-grain MHP dialed it up a notch, with best groups of 2.1 and 1.6 MOA, at 1,237 and 1,480 fps, respectively. Finally, lowly aluminum-cased CCI Blazer 115-grain FMJ drilled out an impressive 1 MOA group, with average velocities of 1,336 fps.
The trigger breaks cleanly at 3 pounds, though it has quite a bit of overtravel. However, it’s not a big deal as this is a lever-action rifle; it’s not like you’ll be working the reset.
The Tombstone handles exceedingly well; it presents on target quickly and is maneuverable in tight spaces like hallways.
The lever is smooth, and there’s even a magnet on the bottom of the receiver to ensure it pulls up and stays tight when you bring it home. It’s a blast to work the lever furiously, like an Earp, ringing steel all around you.
Speaking of working the lever, be sure to rack it with authority. As a manually operated weapon, this ensures reliable extraction and ejection. At our first range session, we experienced several nose-up and nose-down feeding issues — these turned out to be due to a bad magazine. But with new mags in hand, we discovered one other thing to be aware of. With certain ammo, the last round in the mag would sometimes bind in the chamber if you didn’t close the action quickly.
It varied by ammo type; for example, on one hand, you could work the action gingerly like a frightened newspaper journalist, and S&B would feed all day long. On the other hand, the last round of Norma MHP had to be slammed home to ensure it fed.
The rest of the magazine would feed fine for us, so if that last round does bind, take it as a signal to reload (there’s no last-round-bolt-hold-open on lever guns). In any case, best practice is to always work the lever as quickly and efficiently as you can, and to be sure to test your desired loads, paying attention to the last round in the magazine, for any mission critical duties like home defense.
THE MAGNIFICENT NINE
The Tombstone isn’t for everyone, and that’s OK. The price alone takes it out of mass-market consideration. Fundamentally, some may scoff at the concept of a lever-action gun in 9mm; if we had to choose, we’d take a semi-auto over a lever-action too. In fact, POF would happily supply you with one of their Phoenix semi-auto 9mm guns to fill that role.
But if you’re behind enemy lines in a ban-state or otherwise need a manually operated PCC — or if you simply want a unique, nimble, and accurate carbine that you can rack and clack to your heart’s content while consuming your stash of 9mm — POF’s Tombstone is a funky, modern interpretation of the gun that won the west.
POF-USA Tombstone Specs
Caliber: 9x19mm
Capacity: 20
Barrel length: 16 inches
Overall length: 35.6 inches
Weight: 5.5 pounds
MSRP: US$1,962
I still like it, if it was in 223 the order would already be placed.
