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Looking for a budget 22. Just for practise and bunnies as I never have the time available to get out to areas to use my 7mmRM. Half day just isn't enough :-(
Are Toz .22 ok? https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Lis...?id=2396491567
Or better to get a JW15? https://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hun...0ee6b69963-003
I've had/have a few of each, but check the norinco before you buy it. I prefer the jw15s over the old toz but fit and finish wise the norincos arent always the best.
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They're both generally very accurate rifles. The JW15 is a copy of the Brno .22 action and can be a little roughly finished as mentioned by BP above. I prefer the Toz myself.
If it's the model with the bulbous muzzle they are now getting pretty long in the tooth at around 50 years old in some cases so your examle may not be in great condition.
They were a great rifle despite the view of Russian stuff back then. A tad agricultural.
Just picked up a Toz 17-01 off here and it is a great wee piece of kit. Bolt is surprisingly tough to close though.
Excellent wee project.
Iv had an old USSR made toz (cock on closing) for perhaps 13 years. (to3 17-03 I think?) I really like it.
Its lightweight, has dual extractors & very strong firing pin spring = super reliability. Very accurate, lightweight, and reliable rifle.
I own only two .22s, the TOZ and a 10/22. I would certainly not swap it for a Norinco. I don't think id even swap it for a brand new t1x/cz or other comparable rimfire. Im perfectly content with it.
I have a single shot TOZ .22 and have found it a great rifle. Reliably accurate enough for bunnies to reasonable range. Trigger isn't flash but quite usable and every bit as good as the Norinco I had.
I've found my Toz17 to be a good wee rifle. Managed to get one with x2 5 shot mags, matching serial numbers with mags, bolt and action too.
Cocks on action close, trigger isn't the lightest in the world but has an honest break point. Tips rabbits over here in Central.
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I've had both. both pretty agricultural but more than adequate for the job.
Toz magazines are hard to come by.
Avoid the Polytech and Outdoor Arms branded JW-15s.
Sounding quite tempting! Thanks all for your comments
Entry level 22 from 30 or so years back. Sturdy and reliable. Problem now is sourcing replacement springs, parts, magazines.
Don't rule out the Norinco JW15 - we've chopped/polished up about 20 now and doesn't take much to make them into very efficient wee hunters.
Yep,same as all of the above, I have both. I like the TOZ a little more,(love the look of the steel-sights & they arent for show) its a 70's model and has no discernable bore-wear. No rabbit or possum has shown a preference so far. If you are a larger-person, you might find the TOZ a bit small
My very first rifle was a Toz single shot 22 that Dad got for me when I was about 11 or 12. I was glued to that thing took it everywhere with me, only had irons on it but I got pretty proficient at using them. I must ask Dad, good chance it's probably still in the safe somewhere.
Got any more in-depth instructions there mimms? Sounds like mine is in need of all of thoseQuote:
Originally Posted by mimms2
For $120, give it a hoon
Hell!..... for that sort of money I'd buy it. You cant go wrong
I had a friend that owned a single shot Toz back in 1968/69. It didn't have grooves on the receiver for a scope so he had to get the action drilled and tapped for a scope. The trigger was solid metal unlike the later model Toz's which had a stamped metal trigger. It had the muzzle flash eliminator. It was deadly on rabbits and just as accurate as my German Voere bolt action which was no slouch either.
Photos up now. Looks pretty beaten up :-(
By nature I'm not a risk taker and what I've read in posts above they're old, parts hard to get and photos now posted appear to show its the bulb muzzle version so very old and looks like it's had a hard life. Disposable cash in really short supply so seems not worth the risk. For me anyway. Likely good for someone else.
It looks ok to me especially for $120. A couple hours work and it would probably be a nice wee gun.Quote:
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A bit of sandpaper, elbow grease, and some oil or varnish for the stock. A scotchbrite pad with some oil on it for the metalwork.
I refinished mine, and it also used to have the bulb on the muzzle but I had it threaded.
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ive had mine for 40 odd yrs .in fact its on loan to GSPF at present. cause thew old girl was so forgiving and the stock so shitty I restocked her in a n old stirling s/a stock a cuzzie gave me.in the early 80s i also got the late paulus manders here in chch to fit one of his supressors-he tapped the bulb fitted a custom insert and screwed on one of his own suppressors.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisW
that rifle has been through hell with me and is still honest as sunday is long.
GSPF has even outshot me when ive been having a play with my .223!!
rabbits possums -ive lost count of the number who snuffed it at the hands of that wee russian nana!
also running shorty version of jw15 and a very very cute ruger 10/22 owned by a cobber in aussie!
ok, I brought it...............now I just need to ask the Mrs for forgiveness
If you do polish the trigger, watch a few videos first. Dont change any angles, if you can find a piece of milled-steel with nice square/sharp edges, you can tightly-fold 1200 wet & dry over it, and carefully polish the angles/flats that are there. Polish pivot-pins, and even the holes with string and brasso. Many inventive ways. Dont use a dremel !. Easy to remove metal, feken hard to replace it
I think I have a bolt for a Toz laying around somewhere in the parts bin. Got it in a 'box o bits' a mate gave me. (He said it was from a Toz) If you want it, its yours.
So seems taking a risk is worth it! Appears like it's turned into a bit of a bargain. The guy brought it new and gave me a cleaning set plus approx 180 ammo!
It's a bit rusty and dirty but very quick clean of the bore shows it's in pretty decent nick. A proper cleanup and it'll do the job fine. Very pleased.
Will be a couple of weeks before I can try it out but will report back on how it goes.
Not sure how I missed it. Good buy.
Had the chance to give it a try on Saturday. Pictures say a 1000 words so look at the results. The 3 shots I've circled are the very first 3 I fired, I kid you not!
Target was at 25m and far from ideal conditions as I was in an open area with 40-60km hot north west wind coming from right. Didn't have any support so these were prone shots and due to wind I was really struggling to keep the recticle of the 4x32 within the black and sometimes hard to stay within the next 2 rings out. I shot about 50 rounds and got prettty tired trying to hold it in the wind so the other photos is the last 10 or so shot. I reckon with support, still conditions and scope adjusted it'd be black every time. Very happy!
Questions:
1) How much does a 40-60kph cross wind move .22 at 25m?
2) To tidy it up I've read scotchbrite pad and gun oil. Also read steel wool. Which is preferred? Is it try scotchbrite on light rust and if can't budge it use steel woodt?
3) To clean up the stock, sandpaper or paint stripper?
4) When reassembled do I zero it at 25m? Or further? Does 22 drop much over first 100m? I'm expecting most bunnies will be in 25-50m range
Get some Big 45 frontier metal cleaner & Eezox from workshop innovation. This will remove the rust without damaging what is left of the bluing.
It ultimately depends on what your avg. maximum shot is.
I would normally sight it is so its smack on at 75m. then its 3-4 inches low at 100 depending on ammo.
It will only be a little high at 25 and 50.
Obviously check it out with the ammo you are using.
Some interesting comments for sure.
The old man bought mine for me about 1973;my first 22 after stepping up from the old BSA Meteor. I used it right through the Pest Board era so it would have had thousands of rounds through it, and still going as good as the day I shot my first seagull
oops, did I say seagull, I meant rabbit.
