Any one had any experience with the Roedale Delta IV or A-tec CMM-4 suppressors, they look superb for ultra weight savings.
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Any one had any experience with the Roedale Delta IV or A-tec CMM-4 suppressors, they look superb for ultra weight savings.
Yes, Roedale, as good as any NZ can I've shot it next to for suppression, better than some, half the size, very light, replaceable baffles means maintenance is easy.
Well engineered then.
Is there a case capacity limit? i.e. suitable for 60 grains or less?
WTF is Uber? im guessing its a German word.
It gets thrown around a lot these days.What does it mean exactly?
Yes, you can add baffles for larger cases though. Which obviously increases the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
A lot of light Ie Uber light. Would be an oxymoron then right? ie the silent thunder, the defening silence etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
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Originally Posted by veitnamcam
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...uber-fast-493/
Adding baffles wont decrease pressure in the first chamber(if your worried about blowing it up) tho just make it quieter. The only way to decrease pressure in the first chamber(for short barreled magnums ect) would be to increase that chamber volume or limit the gas entering that chamber.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
I was talking more about making it quieter with the bigger cases. Changing the first 1-2 baffles to steel is probably a good idea with a magnum calibre?? I would have to check with the manufacturer. I don't own anything using more than 42gr of powder at the moment
Tussock Gave me a straight answer:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by sneeze
In theory no chambering should be more than 65 000 PSI right? Magnum or not. 270 is run at this now days...Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Roedale has a very informative website too...
Roedale
Main page
You can see they have a R&D section there as well as FAQ's.
Gimp's wee Delta 4 is better at suppressing noise than my standard Gunworks for less than half the size and weight. I am shooting 46gr of 2209 through my 6.5, whereas he is shooting 42gr through his 6.5...
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Originally Posted by Wildman
Yep but muzzle pressure and gas volume is a different story.
The problem with suppressors and pressure as I understand it is the shorter the barrel the more pressure at the muzzleQuote:
Originally Posted by Wildman
Having a chamber pressure of 65,000 doesn't mean that will be the pressure at the muzzle and they are all the same. It's quite far from it.
So a suppressor on a very short barrel is subjected to more pressure the the same load on a longer barrel
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I've also got a shorter barrel by 2"...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildman
A little birdy me told there may be a NZ distributor for these things soon...
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Originally Posted by Wildman
Cool, I'd be in for one
How reliable is that birdy and what sort of time frames are we talking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildman
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Originally Posted by Proudkiwi
+1
The birdy is very reliable. I believe negations are currently under way with Roedale so I don't have a time frame. But anything that takes the hassle of dealing with them out of the equation has got to be a plus...
JUst shot a new local one at 356 grams on a 6,5.
I dont know if they have been released until the sika show so wont name it yet
it was as quiet as his old model and as quiet as the south island one
good to see the locals still developing their wares
Dude my standard Gunworks one is 380grams on the scales. Roedale is getting close to half the weight of that and half the length.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyanimal31
I will be able to tell you soon. I ordered one a wee while ago for my kimber - touch wood should turn up some time this century.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
Bugger - Organised one recently direct with Roedale. I would have been more than happy to support a local supplier had I knownQuote:
Originally Posted by Wildman
You could always get another if you like the first... Extra baffles and the rest...Quote:
Originally Posted by LJP
Which one did you order? The Roedale or the A-Tec?Quote:
Originally Posted by LJP
So what are the issues with dealing directly with Roedale? Is it just the extended delivery times, or is it paperwork / processing issues?
Just that you will be waiting a long time and you will be sick of bull shit emails about how it was sent yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by gqhoon
Looking forward to these being available in NZ. Hopefully I don't have to wait too much longer....
In comparison to dealing with Roedale, how easy is it to source an A-Tec then?
More importantly why arent local manafacturers making them this good.
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If your wanting it for a bush pig type rifle, I dont think a muzzle can would be the go.Quote:
Originally Posted by gqhoon
For robustness, I would definitely go an over-barrel Unit like the A-Tec CMT. But is the wait and hassle worth the 60-80gr weight saving over a Hardy or Gunworks?Quote:
Originally Posted by L.R
My gun works one is 262gr. HRE maybe lighter, id say its not worth the hassle.Quote:
Originally Posted by gqhoon
Damn, I really do need to come round sometime for a looksee then!
At that weight, it doesn't sound like a normal Gunworks?
Its what they call a Gunworks duralight, short duralium overbarrel. Can catch up on the weekend if your about.
The small custom gunworks ones are loud. In my experience they are louder than the standard gunworks models, and, as I said before Gimp's Roedale is quieter than the standard... I dont have experience with Dan's new model first had but reports are that they are quieter than the small custom GW models...Quote:
Originally Posted by L.R
Roedale are tough enough. I dont think it would be more fragile than an over barrel.
Yes agreed the duralight is louder than a normal size supressor, but for a bush gun that you only fire every once and a while it takes away the boom and is good for the hearing. It's not the supressor that is fragile, it is the end of a small contour barrel with a 6" leaver screwed on the end 1/2", with no other support. I think a over barrel is the only option on the end of a lightweight bush gun.
I don't know what you do in the bush and how that differs from any other type of hunting, but there is no way any of my rifles are put in a situation, day- to-day where by a the difference between a muzzle forward can and an over-barrel would make any difference. If I fell over and hit the can I would guess it wouldn't matter if it was either type? This is my current suppressor:
Earplugs
They work extremely well when I can get them in; the situation you describe above of irregular shots being fired they are fine. The last 7 deer I have shot, I have been able to get them on 5 times...
If you fall over and hit the can there is a massive difference in mounting strength between a over barrel and muzzle can. I can't see how you can't see that.
I just can’t see it being a likely scenario that is all... Personally I have been only hunting for about 9 years, mostly bush hunting, and can’t ever remember falling over and hitting any rifle in such a way. That is my experience, yours obviously is different:)
Hence I don’t understand why I should settle for a less effective solution to my problem based on something that may never happen...
Overbarrel has to be larger and weigh more to have the same volume, the bit back over the barrel contains very little volume
Support advantage of overbarrel is overstated. Plenty of .mil use suppressors around that are muzzle can types, on narrower threads than what half us use