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Another country adopts the M4/M16 system but this time starting with 7.62x39 to use up their old stock of ammo. It will be interesting to see how reliable it is.
The fore end looks like something of Aliexpress.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/ukrob...-rifle.521689/
Yes - and probably going to be used on its "own" civilian population in Donbass !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
Article says "Ukraine now a NATO Country" incorrect - but sure the hell is a NATO Puppet/Trojan Horse
Hey @Sarvo let's not get political.
Just thought it was interesting that another country was adopting the Stoner system. A few people in NZ have 7.62x39 AR type rifles. They are often considered more of a curiosity rather than something to bet your life on. I can say that the larger bolt face required etc presents some challenges for the system. The NEA (Canadian) ones have a bugger bolt at the cost of material in the barrel extension. The American made ones generally open out a standard AR bolt which makes the bolt weaker.
Political :wtfsmilie: :omg:Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
Be careful how you brush me on this Topic/goings on
I have direct relation to this - some of us in this part of the World need to know there is more behind some of this weaponry than meets the eye (or what we are led to believe)
Sorry mate - but you scratched a nerve with this one - if comment had not said Ukraine now NATO - perhaps I would not have arced up as much.
AND - I am NOT attacking the "messenger" (as in you)
Ukraine will be using rocks after these if they have to - or anything else given to them free or told to them to keep them getting IMF funding.
Yes the bolt head failures experienced by US guns, both in 7.62x39 and 6.5 Grendel guns would seem to have the risk magnified in a select fire gun.
As long it's decent material and has a notch in one of the lugs to relieve tension, hopefully they can avoid issues.
PS Sarvo, you need to chill. It's doesn't say Ukraine is a NATO country anywhere in the article. That was a post by some dude in Pakistan who seems to be asking a question in reference to the bit about the rifles being produced to 'NATO standard'. What are they going to produce it to? Chinese made M4 gifted to Philippine Army standard?
You missing my point entirely - I said above it was a "comment"
They are a NATO Proxy - to become a NATO member all borders on and inside must be free of any conflict - far from the case here - unbeknownst to most in our region of the Planet.
You sure wouldn't be "chillin" if you knew a bit more on what is going on inside Ukraine and has been for 4 years now.
They are being armed discretely and cheaply to not draw attentions and raise concerns over arming a non NATO country
You originally wrote 'Article says...', not 'comment'. It's some random post by some random dude in Pakistan for goodness sake. And we are talking about the guns, if you want to talk politics, please post it in the correct section or even forum. It clearly is an emotive issue for you.
Whatever the reasons that exist, it seems a practical modular design that allows use of different ammo, barrels and intended use.
:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
Corrected in my 2nd comment b4 you came in
OK - will drop it - I don't want to argue on here, just trying to point out some "collateral damage" from these going on's around us
having handled(but not fired) a couple of those rifles, I will say they seem better finnished than the rangers sold in NZ by a considerable margen- I wouldent consider them porely made at allQuote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
There is a GoPro footage on Funkers YouTube channel of them being used by Philippine forces clearing Al Qaeda from the Southern captured city. They certainly function well in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by res
I wonder if they'd swap 2 SKS's for one?
We you can only try? Last guys who got caught shipping rifle parts to the Philippines are in a spot of bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
Arms smugglers nabbed through cooperation between US, Philippines authorities | Business | The Philippine Star
Bugger! Looks like I'm stuck with the SKS'sQuote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
That Rifle is in 5.56 not 7.62X39.
"WAC-47 is a variant of the M4 assault rifle has been designed to replace Soviet-designed 5.45/7.62mm AK weapons in Ukrainian service"
Actually @norsk it's a Star Wars character:Quote:
Originally Posted by norsk
WAC-47 | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia
:P
Ukraine Starts Testing the WAC-47 Assault Rifle - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog
Actually @norsk it's a Star Wars character:Quote:
Originally Posted by norsk
WAC-47 | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia
:P yes it can shoot 7.62
Ukraine Starts Testing the WAC-47 Assault Rifle - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog
I would really like this Thread to cease/change
Change it to the rifle or calibre in Q - but I do not like the Ukraine aspect attached to it - if you knew what I know about the "Ukrainian fiasco" you would fully understand my ploy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiC12cOc7e8
About 4:15 into the video you can see them shooting 7.62 versions and Tavors. Large dent in the brass says they have totally changed the firing pin, a very good move.
@Sarvo Would you care to enlighten us?
Please take your Russian Politics elsewhere. You are ruining this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarvo
THIS thread is about the adoption of a 7.62 x 39 AR rifle by a military force. We have lot's of posts about military rifles from many different nations/armies. Some of these were used by enemies, some where used by people trying to stop them. At the end of the day they are inanimate metallic objects.
If you live in New Zealand would it not be best to leave this problem behind?
Brass cased ammo too at the end there?
Just what I was thinking. It looks dented which is almost impossible for steel case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
I would need all the Forums Hard drive Cloud storage to enlighten you.
It’s a very complex situation and we in the West are completely hood-winked on what is truly happening.
In brief
Ukraine has a government installed via a Cue de tat FULLY sponsored by CIA (aka USA) to out a democratically elected government to install their Puppet leadership to antagonize Russia into attacking Ukraine - I will leave the rest up to your own imagination/common senses
There is a lot I would like to say to your commentQuote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
But out of respect to all other Forum chaps - I will bite my lip and let go
Why you state "Russian Politics" I do not know - but assuming maybe your trait/weakness - or maybe mine regarding you ??
I just wish the likes of you could be put in that World (just for a couple of months) that you most difinatly do not know or understand !!!!
Fark me, this forum was created to avoid politics (specifically the Beehive aspirations of a Taupo fishing guide using his hunting forum to forward his agenda), and it would be good to keep it this way please.
Sarvo, why do you think the thread/poll on semi autos got deleted? It's because a number of members brought politics and dick measuring into it.
You are now coming across as a patronising know it all. We are not idiots as to what is happening in Ukraine, it's that this thread (and I would say forum) is not the place for discussions. Please take it elsewhere.
Thanks dogmatixQuote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
yeaQuote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
Sensativity of a wounded Rino.
Sad
Hey @Sarvo have you got any links for this Ukranian situation? I tried looking into it a year or so ago but found very little info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAaMRAplJksQuote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
try this . . .
Her's another good Oliver Stone "Documentary"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w16bYZ-4nmE
I wonder where they get their forgings and small parts from?
There has been serious bad blood between Western Ukranianians and ethnic Russians and Poles since the Soviet era. The history of the Ukraine nationalist movement during and after WWII is an interesting forgotten chapter of history.
Central Europeans do a lot of manufacturing including arms. Wouldn't be surprised if they make small parts themselves.
Yes it is, goes a lot further back than WW2.
Wouldn't be beyond their abilities to produce domestically I'd have thought, considering how much high tech material is produced there (rocket and aircraft engines for example)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
No, please don’t, not here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
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Do not worryQuote:
Originally Posted by shift14
It would not be worth the waste of ink
The power of 7.62x39 combined with the ergonomics of an AR , what could be better
I have a RR LAR-47 and its GTG
Agreed especially with some cheap(er) ammo kicking round NZ but 6.5 G may be the ultimate AR and AK round. It looks like Serbia is in the process of adopting it in one of their AK variants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke556
FIRST Military 6.5 Grendel Rifle? - 6.5mm Zastava M17 AK DMR in Testing by Serbian Army - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog