Plus look how ineffective OZ laws are in banning gangs.
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Plus look how ineffective OZ laws are in banning gangs.
Better still let's all become gang members a get better access to off licence firearms:thumbsup:
[QUOTE=Savage1;450895]Just to be clear, O'Conner isn't an employee of the Police, he's the president of the Police Association which is like a Police union. He seems to be well liked amongst the front line cops as he has the balls to say what need saying.
True that @Savage1, that make sense I thought he was part of he Cops. I do respect the job the police do, and I do not envy them. I like the new police boss he seems pretty straight shooter no pun intended.
They seem to have a culture problem though where they do not except that they a wrong at times, and are not keen on fessing up to shit when the should.
I think blaming the gangs for all the shit is not correct, sure they are bad news due to the fact they are highly organised, industrious, schooled in there criminal carrier paths and ballsy, but there are other local hard cases and guys who knock around with villains who have clean jackets that help purchase and organise things like guns, chemical ingredients, houses to cook or grow pot in, start a business etc that on the out side look like law abiding citizens but are as much a part of the criminal fraternity as gang and club members.
Most small towns have an under belly.
Shit heads will all ways find ways to procure firearms. Some of them could even build crude ones for their line of work.
No need for even crude ones. They can build a semi at home from the parts, only thing they need the license for is the lower receiver.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadidick
This is one of the focus points for the Police in the review of where crims are getting firearms from no doubt.
Apologies, it was from a courthouse Claim that stolen Glock was returned to courthouse investigated | Stuff.co.nzQuote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
I was getting it mixed up with that large quantity of methamphetamine going missing from Whangarei police station No plans to change evidence storage | Radio New Zealand News
Politicians and governments in all countries are F**king same, they are afraid of guns in good people's hands!
Exactly, which is why we are all fucked in the long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henryh
Mmmmm.....I wonder how the public would react if owning motor vehicles (excluding motorcycles - 'cos I ride one), were restricted to one per family (most have two or more in the same household), must be fit for purpose and used 'in lawful pursuits'.
Or even that they get reassessed on their driving skills, every 5 years (I'm aware that licenses can be renewed in those time blocks).
If the Assessing Officer - must be a policeman - decides that the driver is 'not a fit person', then no license, no opportunity to be reassessed and the motor vehicle/s taken away and disposed of.
Crikey - the outrage and calls for pollies heads would be enormous.
Yet firearms owners have a strict assessment policy, inspection of premises and private commentary by spouse and another individual who knows the firearms license applicant.
Firearms owners (legal ones), aren't a small segment if the population - we are like most people - only interested in that segment of the shooting sports we participate in.
Just imagine if we all got together (NRA USA for example - not that I agree with some of the drivel I've heard from this August body), and lobbied for 'sensible yet controlled' scheme of firearms ownership - including s/auto weaponry, MSSA and specialist long guns. I still think sidearms need tight control, mainly because they're easily concealed.
Lawful firearms owners suffer because crims, drug takers and the occasional shooting accident draw heavy exposure by the Press, causing 'knee jerk' reactions fron politicians.
The 'stop gap' measures - as usual have far reaching effects not considered in the overnight lawmaking process.
I read somewhere (I stand to be corrected), that the worst year of shooting deaths from all causes in NZ was about 10-11, the worst year for motoring deaths in HZ was around the 300 mark.
Yet I see no moves made to tighten up on driver assessments, testing methodologies or restriction of large capacity/high powered cars being bought by inexperienced drivers.
Mmmm.....the power of the 'poll' eh. :omg:
Not so sure about that. They are certainly afraid of guns in bad people's hands. I understand the dilemma; how do you judge who is good and who is bad? The screening processes (even here in NZ) aren't fool proof and in some jurisdictions plainly bizarre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henryh
And what about the good who turn bad?
And what about Paranoia?
It's a bad trait in many of the gun owners posting on the interweb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
Greig o(you know who) has been called out numerous times, he also believes in fully armed cops(which scares the crap out of me and they have them in their cars) yet he hasn't been calling out for wearing of body cameras of All cops yet we are the only western country yet to do that?
For the good cops out there I believe he does a HUGE disservice to you to the point of being a insult.
Depends on the governments definition of "bad people".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
He's a cockroach trying to build a political career
"and allowing us to make a informed decision on whether we really want to allow our kids to play with his kids when he's got guns in the house."
This is what got me the most out of the entire article, followed closely by calling every gun they find an AK47 or M16 assault rifle... such typical scare mongering by the same journalists every time. Similar to how someone who had accidentally shot a toddler with a stolen sawn off shotgun to have the press jumping up and down screaming it was a pistol and citing how easy they are to get and essentially giving the anti-gun lobby false information.
If they want to pass laws against firearms based on half arsed facts and information, then why don't they pass some laws to tighten up the accuracy of media reports?
Rant over
Macca
Bastards should be happy, There'll be one less gun since my tooth broke. Have to give almost the price of a Remington 700 LR to my dentist to get it crowned.
Now the long range rig looks like next years project.
Isn't it legally classified as a pistol because it's been cut down to less than 762mm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
How is the media report wrong then? (If it is legally a pistol?)
Yes, legally a pistol. Media was technically correct in their reporting, but when the uneducated public hears 'pistol', they think 'handgun' rather than a rifle/shotgun cut down to below 762mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
It was the police calling it a pistol in the first place. Then it came out it was a sawn off shotgun.
So it was a pistol then.
It's was more leaned towards the anti-gun lobby using the pistol classification as ammo to attack legal users in sports such as ipscQuote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Thats how I relate my dentist bills too. Must ask him if he has a gun license, then I could pay him with guns or ammo and stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
What really gets me is that we pay for their boats but they don't even take us out for a fish or dive.Quote:
Originally Posted by nevereadyfreddy
How? Can you shoot ipsc with a sawn off shotgun? Even if it is a pistol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
Clearly what is happening is that some firearm enthusiests freak out if anything negative is said or reported about their potentially dangerous toys.
Mine has a shiny new land rover defender all done up for 4wding, never had an invite to go out and join him with my truck!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
Pretty much. When the bias is obvious I'll take whatever oppurtunity to put the boot in.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
100% paranoid bollocks. Media reported what the Police released - his holding charge was unlawful possession of a pistol, which is what a firearm with a barrel less than 762mm actually is. It was after he was remanded in custody by a judge over this charge was it upgraded due to the death of the child.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
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I find it sad that some people are more outraged over the way the firearm used was (accurately) described, than the death of a two year old.
I think that is an inaccurate comment, given the nature of discussion on this forum, it is inevitable that there will be a focus on the firearm.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
The death of a two year old is tragic in the extreme regardless of the circumstances that lead to it. The discussion in this thread does not diminish that tragedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
I got that vibe too. It's really subtle, a real slow burner.
I get that "state employee" or very sympathetic to vibe.Quote:
Originally Posted by AzumitH
