Thread: WE LOST

Naughty troll back in your boxs

Originally Posted by Sideshow

Naughty troll back in your boxs

one day im going to get drunk and try trolling for real

Originally Posted by dogmatix

10mm?
Those are rookie numbers! You need to work on those.
My 14.5” barrelled AR is 763mm OAL (to the muzzle) with the carbine stock collapsed. Now we are talking.

At what temperature did you do the measurement? (-:

Fresh out of a hot shower.

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Originally Posted by marky123

Because intent plays a big part in our legal system,big difference between stripping it down for a cleaning and illegally shortening it for actual use/firing purposes.

No.
I’m sure the guy getting prosecuted for having both an A cat and E cat Ar15 didn’t ‘intend’ to use 30 round mags in it.

Originally Posted by GDMP

If a Rifle or shotgun is under length (762 mm) with the stock collapsed, then make it legal by adding length at the front end so it is over the magic number.Or permanently fix the stock in the open position.The written law is pretty clear in this area if its under 762mm its considered a pistol,and that is what you have to go by in order to protect yourself from prosecution.

that used to work, they are now saying they will mesure to the muzzel even if something(eg can/brake/handguard) extends past that point

Originally Posted by res

that used to work, they are now saying they will mesure to the muzzel even if something(eg can/brake/handguard) extends past that point

So how do these work with that...

https://www.guncity.com/high-tower-a...k-black-315828

"*PLEASE NOTE: YOU MUST HAVE A PINNED SILENCER ATTACHED TO YOUR BARREL, TO MAKE SURE THIS IS OVER LEGAL LENGTH*"

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Originally Posted by GDMP

No.
I’m sure the guy getting prosecuted for having both an A cat and E cat Ar15 didn’t ‘intend’ to use 30 round mags in it.

Yes, but again, we must clearly distinguish between the LAW, and the COPS. The cops sometimes arbitrarily decide to make up charges against someone as in this case. What happened BTW with that prosecution? The prosecutor better not bring important cases the rest of that morning as the judge might be put into a quite irritated state.

The NZPHQ appears hostile towards owners of autoloading rifles but they have been told by parliament, 'no changes to gun laws'. (I guess that is a status-quo compromise reached between NZ First vs Labour, and the Greens). So, knowing this, and that there is a great deal of anti-gun sentiment within the governing parties, NZPHQ instead UTILISES current legislation to harrass gun owners knowing they won't get rapped for it by the political masters. And I mean "utilise" current legislation in the real meaning of the word - it means more than just 'use' but rather 'to use fully, use exhaustively, use to its full extent'. But in doing so they sometimes overuse legislation and so exceed their authority.

Seems important to realise this is going on -- and for shooters organisations only to have it out with police in court where there is a firm case of exceeding the law. The 762mm minimum length is one where anyone who can use a ruler should have been able to tell it was futile to argue. The guy prosecuted for having both A & E Cat guns is an example of a case that clearly should be before the courts (and will be, courtesy of a prosecution).

Nothing the NZPHQ will love more than a flurry of court cases forcing the government to amend gun laws: not a good thing. We have to ask ourselves, can we live with the status quo? Because there are a many out there who would opt for a sinking lid, any time, and each time gun legislation is looked at it gets tightened - not the other way round.

Originally Posted by res

nothing and nothing-but I cant see how they could say no to C, as I seem to have to keep saying- we just have to wait for more info.

A C is no good to anyone anyway, you're not allowed to fire anything on a C.

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Originally Posted by marky123

Yes, but again, we must clearly distinguish between the LAW, and the COPS. The cops sometimes arbitrarily decide to make up charges against someone as in this case. What happened BTW with that prosecution? The prosecutor better not bring important cases the rest of that morning as the judge might be put into a quite irritated state.

The NZPHQ appears hostile towards owners of autoloading rifles but they have been told by parliament, 'no changes to gun laws'. (I guess that is a status-quo compromise reached between NZ First vs Labour, and the Greens). So, knowing this, and that there is a great deal of anti-gun sentiment within the governing parties, NZPHQ instead UTILISES current legislation to harrass gun owners knowing they won't get rapped for it by the political masters. And I mean "utilise" current legislation in the real meaning of the word - it means more than just 'use' but rather 'to use fully, use exhaustively, use to its full extent'. But in doing so they sometimes overuse legislation and so exceed their authority.

Seems important to realise this is going on -- and for shooters organisations only to have it out with police in court where there is a firm case of exceeding the law. The 762mm minimum length is one where anyone who can use a ruler should have been able to tell it was futile to argue. The guy prosecuted for having both A & E Cat guns is an example of a case that clearly should be before the courts (and will be, courtesy of a prosecution).

Nothing the NZPHQ will love more than a flurry of court cases forcing the government to amend gun laws: not a good thing. We have to ask ourselves, can we live with the status quo? Because there are a many out there who would opt for a sinking lid, any time, and each time gun legislation is looked at it gets tightened - not the other way round.

Well the police minister did instruct them to "be creative" to achieve what they want.

Nicholas Taylor has released an opinion on the case. It appears there was also another ruling on length recently that somewhat contradicts the latest one.

Is it available on his website?

The plot thickens

Originally Posted by res

one day im going to get drunk and try trolling for real

We do it for marlin all summer long bro, its great sport

Originally Posted by dogmatix

Is it available on his website?

@dogmatix FOUNZ will have something out this arvo